[ALadysMom]

Originally Posted by justjim

Another conspiracy theory. There also could be cases that were not reported before they started reporting cases. I trust our scientists before I trust most politicians whose main goal is to be re-elected.

And earlier deaths are now being “reclassified” as COVID deaths:

Published May 7, 2020

Cook County to Review Deaths Dating Back to November for Cases of Coronavirus – NBC Chicago

Cook County to Review Deaths Dating Back to November for Cases of Coronavirus – NBC Chicago

Figures don’t lie, but liars can figure

[ALadysMom]

Originally Posted by billethkid

Just google it....there are many accounts like this one

Fact check: Medicare pays hospitals more money for COVID-19 patients

The second wave of federal CARES Act funding provides escalated payments to providers in harder-hit areas

So every reclassified death or newly-reported COVID death will result in higher CARES funding for the State and it’s healthcare providers.

Think about that: even if the person died at home after having no healthcare costs expended to care for them, the State and it’s providers get more money if the death is reported as COVID. A new profit center!

[Velvet]

To me what counts as Covid deaths are all those who died during the time of the virus, who would not have died otherwise. This includes people so scared of the virus who committed suicide like drinking fish tank cleaner fluid. That is the true extent of the damage from the virus. Just like the economic cost of Covid. The virus did not rob our bank accounts, but when people couldn’t go to work then it had the same effect.

I understand that antibodies indicate you had the virus. But if you died from fear you’re just as dead as if your lungs had collapsed. Dead is dead.

[Joelack99]

There is no question that the numbers are inaccurate. However there are forces “pulling” the numbers in both directions. For example, a person dies of pneumonia and is listed this way unless they have a positive COVID test. If never tested, you never know. The US’s testing is among the lowest in the world. On the other side are some of the situations described in these posts.

Bottom line: the only way we will actually know the numbers of COVID-causes deaths will be to forensically compare the number of dead to the statistically expected numbers. So far that number is larger than the reported numbers, I.e., the number killed by the virus is larger than the reported number by up to 20-50%. (22% in NY, the largest locality of deaths in the world according to the CDC.)

[bpascani]

I've heard it's an extra $13,000.00 per patient

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by Joelack99

There is no question that the numbers are inaccurate. However there are forces “pulling” the numbers in both directions. For example, a person dies of pneumonia and is listed this way unless they have a positive COVID test. If never tested, you never know. The US’s testing is among the lowest in the world. On the other side are some of the situations described in these posts.

Pretty sure you know less about this than Dr Birx. The guidelines for coding deaths allow Doctors to code the pneumonia death as a covid 19 death (without a positive test) if they "suspect" death due to covid 19.

Also, USA testing is not among the lowest in the world, currently we have tested 33,500 per million citizens, the highest are at 60,000, lowest at 1200 per million.

• COVID-19 testing rate by country | Statista

[Lindsyburnsy]

"told" = "rumor"

[sipops]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

“There is nothing from the CDC that I can trust,” Birx reportedly said, according to a report in the Washington Post.

Dr Birx already publicly admitted last month that CDC is telling states to code any death of an individual who tests positive for COVID-19 as a coronavirus death, even if it is not proven that the death was caused by COVID-19

Here's an example:

Colorado man dies from an astounding 0.55% blood alcohol level, State lists him as covid 19 death.

CO man dies from astounding 0.55 blood alcohol level, coronavirus listed as cause of death | Disrn

Dr. Blix also sheepishly said if a person dies in a car accident and has heart problems that is covid related. She said this early on thus I don't believe too much of these numbers or what she has to offer.

[sipops]

Originally Posted by Velvet

That sounds like the hospitals are rewarded for each Covid patient who dies, and not for the ones they save? That’s a strange way to fund hospitals. Where do they do that?

They also get close to $42,000.00 for each person on a vent. Follow the money

[roscoguy]

Originally Posted by ALadysMom

And earlier deaths are now being “reclassified” as COVID deaths:

Published May 7, 2020

Cook County to Review Deaths Dating Back to November for Cases of Coronavirus – NBC Chicago

Cook County to Review Deaths Dating Back to November for Cases of Coronavirus – NBC Chicago

Figures don’t lie, but liars can figure

Did you actually even read the article you posted the link to??? Even in the title it says that the county will "Review Deaths Dating Back to November". More quotes from the story:

"The Cook County Medical Examiner's office is conducting a review of deaths dating back to November of last year to see if any previously recorded deaths may have been related to the coronavirus before health officials publicly identified widespread community transmission.

The review will include a look back at cases of people who died in their homes or were found on the street, or other instances in which the person's death fell under the jurisdiction of the county, Cook County spokeswoman Natalia Derevyanny said Thursday. It will not include people who died in hospitals, she said, because doctors sign the death certificates of patients who die while hospitalized and the county is not notified."

"Some of the deaths that nobody was even talking about, they didn't have a name for this thing," he said. "People were dying and they may have been put on their death certificate they died of pneumonia or some other respiratory illness."

"So there's no doubt that we're going to need to go back through the records," Pritzker continued, adding, "That's going to probably happen in months hence, because we have so much to do now to focus on keeping people safe and alive now, but we're probably going to have to go back and see you know, how many of these probably, based upon all the symptoms, were COVID-19?"

[roscoguy]

Originally Posted by ALadysMom

Think about that: even if the person died at home after having no healthcare costs expended to care for them, the State and it’s providers get more money if the death is reported as COVID. A new profit center!

Another alternative fact. Here:

"Hospitals are paid more for Medicare patients confirmed or presumed to have coronavirus"

This directly from FOX News. Hospitals are paid more for Medicare patients confirmed or presumed to have coronavirus | Fox News
It is HOSPITALS that are receiving the Medicare payments for PATIENTS diagnosed as having or likely having COVID-19.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by Velvet

To me what counts as Covid deaths are all those who died during the time of the virus, who would not have died otherwise. This includes people so scared of the virus who committed suicide like drinking fish tank cleaner fluid. That is the true extent of the damage from the virus. Just like the economic cost of Covid. The virus did not rob our bank accounts, but when people couldn’t go to work then it had the same effect.

I understand that antibodies indicate you had the virus. But if you died from fear you’re just as dead as if your lungs had collapsed. Dead is dead.

This was not suicide. They thought they would get well....as some guy stated on TV.

[ALadysMom]

Originally Posted by roscoguy

Did you actually even read the article you posted the link to??? Even in the title it says that the county will "Review Deaths Dating Back to November". More quotes from the story:

Originally Posted by roscoguy

Another alternative fact. Here: This directly from FOX News. Hospitals are paid more for Medicare patients confirmed or presumed to have coronavirus | Fox News
It is HOSPITALS that are receiving the Medicare payments for PATIENTS diagnosed as having or likely having COVID-19.

LOL You have heard of State hospitals, right? Did you consider the long history of political corruption associated with Illinois? Do you think they won’t manipulate historical death statistics if doing so lines their coffers with more $? Other states will undoubtedly want to increase their funding if they can too. Dr. Birx simply stated the obvious about the inaccuracy and unreliability of the CDC death statistics. IMO Dr. Birx has done a valiant job as she’s tried to temper every nuance so facts are calmly and confidently conveyed. Her professionalism, knowledge, courage and commitment have been a great service to everyone.

[ALadysMom]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

This was not suicide. They thought they would get well....as some guy stated on TV.

Ok so it’s not a suicide but it should still be counted as a death caused by the Coronavirus. It was reportedly an accidental death of someone who died trying to treat what he believed was the virus. If he had not ingested chemicals he would have likely recovered so he would still be alive if not for the virus, right? This is an extremely rare case so it’s really a straw-man argument in the scheme of accurately reporting virus death statistics.

[Decadeofdave]

Check out last month's Imprimis from Hillsdale College. Dr.Arn explains in detail the CDC from inception to present day. Eye opener. They are way off their intended mission from 194O'S.