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billethkid 10-20-2014 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 955744)
Dr Ben Carson, Dr Bill Frist, General Colin Powell, etc etc, all might have been good choices, but the job has been filled, and Ron Klain will start in his new position later this week.

Uh let's see...I got it....some of us believe there is more to the issue than just filling the job.

Some of us still hold to the notion people should be qualified for the jobs they are put into. We certainly have enough ongoing day to day proof of what happens when unqualified people are put in jobs :22yikes:

Sandtrap328 10-20-2014 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 955748)
Uh let's see...I got it....some of us believe there is more to the issue than just filling the job.

Some of us still hold to the notion people should be qualified for the jobs they are put into. We certainly have enough ongoing day to day proof of what happens when unqualified people are put in jobs :22yikes:

Colin Powell is an infectious disease physician? Bill Frist retired in 2009 from Congress and is a heart and lung transplant specialist. Ben Carson is a pediatric neurosurgeon. NONE of these are specialists in infectious diseases. Powell is the only one who is used to give advice. Klain will be able to coordinate and delegate better than the others mentioned. He has inside government experience as a chief of staff. Yes, that is an excellent criteria!

graciegirl 10-20-2014 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandtrap328 (Post 955756)
Colin Powell is an infectious disease physician? Bill Frist retired in 2009 from Congress and is a heart and lung transplant specialist. Ben Carson is a pediatric neurosurgeon. NONE of these are specialists in infectious diseases. Powell is the only one who is used to give advice. Klain will be able to coordinate and delegate better than the others mentioned. He has inside government experience as a chief of staff. Yes, that is an excellent criteria!


Some very educated people are very lacking in knowledge of the way the body works and of chemical processes. Some people who are expert in law do not understand physics or genetics, etc.

As I have said before how disease is spread and what to do about it is the most important criteria in this crisis in my opinion. A person knowledgable about the ways of hospitals and the duties of medical workers can then say to staffers, I want you to shut down this or quarantine that or commandeer that barracks etc, etc. You have to think like a scientist to stop Ebola.

I am relieved to hear that 45 of the 48 who had something to do with the original patient have been released from quarantine.

But the Ebola crisis is far from over.

NoMoSno 10-20-2014 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by cologal (Post 955743)
I think we have to look at the facts.... travelers from West Africa will arrive at our airports. Once they get here we would have to keep them somewhere until they could be returned. We are we going to put them up? The airport Marriott or Hilton.

How about, just leave them on the tarmac, refuel, and sent them back.
Just like what happened to the US cruise ship.

Walt. 10-20-2014 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by cologal (Post 955743)
I think we have to look at the facts.... travelers from West Africa will arrive at our airports. Once they get here we would have to keep them somewhere until they could be returned. We are we going to put them up? The airport Marriott or Hilton.

What makes Dr. Ben Carson such a great choice he doesn't have a background in infectious diseases does he?

1. I guess we could build a quonset hut or two right at the airport. A day or two and out they go. Food? We could always serve up some MREs.

2. Nope. This would have been a smart move POLITICALLY. It would show that the Prez is so "above politics" that he is reaching out... etc etc. If Carson did a great job it would show that it was a brilliant selection. If he didn't know what he was doing he'd get all the blame and the Prez couldn't be faulted for trying (and a Tea Party fav would be done for).

TexaninVA 10-20-2014 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 955744)
Dr Ben Carson, Dr Bill Frist, General Colin Powell, etc etc, all might have been good choices, but the job has been filled, and Ron Klain will start in his new position later this week.

Just out of curiosity and given your earlier comments about how you think a "political operative" is an ideal candidate to be Ebola Czar ...if the Ebola crisis had occurred in the prior administration would you have been as equally gushing had say Karl Rove been appointed?

graciegirl 10-20-2014 07:58 PM

Bazinga.

cologal 10-20-2014 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Walt. (Post 955782)
1. I guess we could build a quonset hut or two right at the airport. A day or two and out they go. Food? We could always serve up some MREs.

2. Nope. This would have been a smart move POLITICALLY. It would show that the Prez is so "above politics" that he is reaching out... etc etc. If Carson did a great job it would show that it was a brilliant selection. If he didn't know what he was doing he'd get all the blame and the Prez couldn't be faulted for trying (and a Tea Party fav would be done for).

I like the hut and MRE solution.

Sandtrap328 10-20-2014 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TexaninVA (Post 955786)
Just out of curiosity and given your earlier comments about how you think a "political operative" is an ideal candidate to be Ebola Czar ...if the Ebola crisis had occurred in the prior administration would you have been as equally gushing had say Karl Rove been appointed?

Actually, Karl Rove or Andy Card would have been great choices. Both are insiders who know how to get things done. One does not have to be an expert in the field in order to coordinate operations and to get all the people talking on the same page.

sunnyatlast 10-20-2014 09:03 PM

The end of quarantine today for some 40+ people is good news, but there is still a long way to go for Nina Pham, Amber Vinson, and the others with them before they were diagnosed.

Please see this timeline published 2 days ago. It shows the timeline of disease progression with Duncan, and beside it are timelines for nurses Nina and Amber--bless their weary, suffering bodies, minds and spirits. We haven't heard anything about their condition in the last 2-3 days, and I think it's worrisome--if they were on the upswing I think authorities would say so.

SEE Timelnes of disease progression:

The time factor - The Washington Post

TexaninVA 10-20-2014 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandtrap328 (Post 955802)
Actually, Karl Rove or Andy Card would have been great choices. Both are insiders who know how to get things done. One does not have to be an expert in the field in order to coordinate operations and to get all the people talking on the same page.

Actually, by saying what you just did, it's clear you have no idea how DC really works

CFrance 10-20-2014 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by sunnyatlast (Post 955808)
The end of quarantine today for some 40+ people is good news, but there is still a long way to go for Nina Pham, Amber Vinson, and the others with them before they were diagnosed.

Please see this timeline published 2 days ago. It shows the timeline of disease progression with Duncan, and beside it are timelines for nurses Nina and Amber--bless their weary, suffering bodies, minds and spirits. We haven't heard anything about their condition in the last 2-3 days, and I think it's worrisome--if they were on the upswing I think authorities would say so.

SEE Timelnes of disease progression:

The time factor - The Washington Post

If you google them, you can see reports of their conditions in newspapers today. One is in stable condition, and the other one is improving.

Sandtrap328 10-20-2014 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TexaninVA (Post 955809)
Actually, by saying what you just did, it's clear you have no idea how DC really works

No, I actually have a very good working knowledge on how things are really done in Washington.

twinklesweep 10-20-2014 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandtrap328 (Post 955802)
Actually, Karl Rove or Andy Card would have been great choices. Both are insiders who know how to get things done. One does not have to be an expert in the field in order to coordinate operations and to get all the people talking on the same page.

I agree. Why is it so difficult to understand that infectious disease doctors would be only one area of individuals reporting to the "ebola czar" whose responsibility is to coordinate the services of many different fields involved in an issue like this and to enable communication among them? Why keep harping that a physician must be in charge, which is not her or his area of expertise? Of course, physicians would have a huge role, but they are not the "insiders who know how to get things done"!

twinklesweep 10-20-2014 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandtrap328 (Post 955802)
Actually, Karl Rove or Andy Card would have been great choices. Both are insiders who know how to get things done. One does not have to be an expert in the field in order to coordinate operations and to get all the people talking on the same page.

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Originally Posted by TexaninVA (Post 955809)
Actually, by saying what you just did, it's clear you have no idea how DC really works

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Originally Posted by Sandtrap328 (Post 955816)
.... What was it you did in government when you were in the DC area and how long did you do it?

I too am curious to hear the answer to this question....


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