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Vinny 10-09-2012 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 564215)
Albert Einstein once said, "The distinction between the past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion."

In the book, "Genie In Your Genes", I read about the following experiment: Researchers took a pile of hospital case records and divided them in half. They then focused their "good intentions" or "well wishes" (prayers?) on half of the cases hoping for better recovery results. Sure enough, the pile they focused on had better (average) recovery results.

The strange thing is that the case records were ten years old. So what would you conclude from that? How is it possible for current thoughts to have an affect on the past? Can you wish for someone to be well and have it be retroactive?

Was Einstein right?

Not very amazing as there was a 50/50 chance of those results. Einstein's quote is not complete as he prefaced it with "People like us, who believe in physics". It referred to temperal reality and in fact means the opposite of what you are implying. Ot basically says that there is a place in space where our past exists and it cannot be changed. Watch a star millions of light years away blink out and you are seeing something that happened million of years ago. If you understand this you understand that time is only relative to other objects and not a master cosmic clock. Einstein's quote has nothing to do with changing the past but just the opposite.

You are suggesting that if we all concentrate on 9/11 we can change history so that 9/11 did not occur and we all would forget about it but then again how could we forget about it if we are focusing on it? I just focused on a coin toss coming up heads and it did. I think I will write a book. :sigh:

Taltarzac725 10-10-2012 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Vinny (Post 565672)
Not very amazing as there was a 50/50 chance of those results. Einstein's quote is not complete as he prefaced it with "People like us, who believe in physics". It referred to temperal reality and in fact means the opposite of what you are implying. Ot basically says that there is a place in space where our past exists and it cannot be changed. Watch a star millions of light years away blink out and you are seeing something that happened million of years ago. If you understand this you understand that time is only relative to other objects and not a master cosmic clock. Einstein's quote has nothing to do with changing the past but just the opposite.

You are suggesting that if we all concentrate on 9/11 we can change history so that 9/11 did not occur and we all would forget about it but then again how could we forget about it if we are focusing on it? I just focused on a coin toss coming up heads and it did. I think I will write a book. :sigh:

There seems to be some questions in physics about what happens with time when you reach the speed of light.

This is an interesting aspect of the relativity of space and time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation


"A case of time dilation in action is that astronauts return from missions on the International Space Station (ISS) having aged less than the mission control crew that remained on Earth. Such time dilation has been repeatedly demonstrated (see experimental confirmation below), for instance by small disparities in atomic clocks on Earth and in space, even though both clocks work perfectly (it is not a mechanical malfunction). The laws of nature are such that time itself (i.e. spacetime) will bend due to differences in either gravity or velocity—each of which affects time in different ways." from above Wikipedia Time Dilation article.

Villages PL 10-11-2012 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 565788)
There seems to be some questions in physics about what happens with time when you reach the speed of light.

This is an interesting aspect of the relativity of space and time. Time dilation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


"A case of time dilation in action is that astronauts return from missions on the International Space Station (ISS) having aged less than the mission control crew that remained on Earth. Such time dilation has been repeatedly demonstrated (see experimental confirmation below), for instance by small disparities in atomic clocks on Earth and in space, even though both clocks work perfectly (it is not a mechanical malfunction). The laws of nature are such that time itself (i.e. spacetime) will bend due to differences in either gravity or velocity—each of which affects time in different ways." from above Wikipedia Time Dilation article.

Yes, very interesting. Each body has its own time linked to its motion. I did a search as follows: "Does time exist? Is time real? Or is time only an idea?" The answers are no, no, and yes. Is there physical proof of this? Yes.

"Time" is just a word and "t" a symbol in physics.

Another great search: The question is "What is time in reality?" The result of this search: "Time Dilation back-fires, and brings us back to Ground Zero" which is our human concept of time.

chachacha 10-11-2012 02:19 PM

interesting discussion
 
a very religious friend of mine recently made the statement that when we pray for someone, either before or after their death, all our prayers are available to them at the moment of their death...this is very comforting when we lose a loved one....i think i will follow the advice of the poster who said we should believe that which makes us feel good, and believe this...it certainly makes more sense now that i have read this discussion!

Villages PL 10-16-2012 04:28 PM

My first link attempt:
 
If I get this right, this link gives a great explanation of how we developed "our human concept of time".

The question is "What is time in reality?" !

Vinny 10-16-2012 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 568667)
If I get this right, this link gives a great explanation of how we developed "our human concept of time".

The question is "What is time in reality?" !

I already read that tomorrow. :$:

Cantwaittoarrive 10-17-2012 06:50 PM

Think of time like a parade. You can only see the part that is in front of you at the moment, but the entire parade is happening all at once. Same with time, you can only experience what's in front of you right now, but it's all happening at once

lightworker888 10-17-2012 08:40 PM

Cantwait.....
 
That is an excellent analogy. Thanks for sharing. Lots of places to go with that one.


LW888

Cantwaittoarrive 10-18-2012 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 565559)


I remember time going by very slowly when I was about 4 years old. I kept asking my mother when I would be going to school, like my brothers and sister. She would tell me but I didn't understand the concept of measured time. So it just seemed like going to school was never going to happen.

As the years go by we eventually learn how to "tell" time and read calendars. We get better and better at it and fill up our days with routine things that we do. And that, I believe, is what makes time go faster and faster.




I always reasoned that time seems slower as a child because your point of reference is different. In other words if you are 4 years old a years worth of measured time seems so long because it represents 25% of your life on earth. Compare that to a year when you are 50 years old that year only represents 2% of your time experience on earth. That's a big difference even though in each case we are comparing 1 year of measured time


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