Originally Posted by Blackie (Post 2292471)

Here is an article on the January 2022 I95 storm issue.

Tesla Model 3 Owner Thankful For His EV When Stuck On I-95
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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2292465)

But many drive more than 10 or 15 miles and have the heater on and handle the traffic quite well. Two articles out of Chicago are worth paying attention to but there would be many more articles if the situation was truly that bad.



Below are three articles saying there was no problem with the wind turbines in TX this year and another saying that lack of winterization (poor planning) was the problem in 2021. Guess what wind farm wind turbines sub zero weather: They produce electricity.
How Texas Kept the Lights On in the Recent Deep Freeze - The New York Times
How the Texas grid held strong amid freeze and fears of blackout
https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/to...ze/ar-AA1n7e4n
Why Did Wind Turbines Freeze in Texas When They Work in the Arctic?

Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2292529)

From a publication titled InsideEV’s. Talk about a source with an agenda.

Originally Posted by mtdjed (Post 2292470)

Good news for EV lovers. Bargains available from Hertz.

Hertz is selling 20,000 used EVs due to high repair costs | Ars Technica

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2292537)

The source is the actual owner of the EV who was sitting in the backup. The publication is an EV publication but where did you expect to find an article about an EV, Pickleball Weekly?

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2292465)

But many drive more than 10 or 15 miles and have the heater on and handle the traffic quite well. Two articles out of Chicago are worth paying attention to but there would be many more articles if the situation was truly that bad.



Below are three articles saying there was no problem with the wind turbines in TX this year and another saying that lack of winterization (poor planning) was the problem in 2021. Guess what wind farm wind turbines sub zero weather: They produce electricity.
How Texas Kept the Lights On in the Recent Deep Freeze - The New York Times
How the Texas grid held strong amid freeze and fears of blackout
https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/to...ze/ar-AA1n7e4n
Why Did Wind Turbines Freeze in Texas When They Work in the Arctic?

Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2292539)

Pretty bad when hertz gives up on them. Maybe cause the were sending them out not charged up and customers had enough having to look for charger after few miles wasting hours waiting to get to there destinations. :D

Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2292542)

So what saying they only talk bout the pros and not the cons?

Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2292327)

Go ahead drive take trip way up north. Try find charging stations in sub zero temps. By time you get charge and heat car up you’re not going very far before be looking for charger.

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive (Post 2292551)

All true. But it is a but more complicated than that. What a lot of people don't realize is that, in extreme cold, things happen to an EV that makes powering them back up a whole lot more complicated than doing it in, say, balmy Florida temps.

For one thing, batteries just don't charge as well in the cold. That goes for ALL batteries, not just EV batteries. But lead-acid batteries, even if nearly depleted, can still take a charge when cold. Not as much as if they were warm, but enough to get you up and going. EV batteries won't. They have to be preconditioned in extremely cold weather before they'll take on more charge. If the driver doesn't precondition them before getting to the charging station, the driver has to wait for a half-hour, give or take, for the station charger to warm up the battery to the point where it WILL take a charge, and even then the charging process may take much longer than normal. Sitting at a station for an hour and a half getting a charge, with a line of folks behind you getting progressively more irritated, is a whole lot different than swinging into a gas station off the freeway and fueling up the Family Truckster with about 20 gallons of gasoline.

EVs are a reasonable option in Florida. Up north, they're far more trouble than they're worth.

Originally Posted by mickey100 (Post 2292372)

Agree. I really don't get this obsession with dissing EV's. It's like these people feel sooo threatened. Maybe it's because it represents change, something different than what they grew up with and they hate change of any kind? Or is it because the gasoline industry pays for PR to stigmatize alternate energy sources and people choose to believe these pundits - unreliable sources that basically spew garbage? Or is it because some people somehow equate EV's with climate change, and again, disregarding science, they are climate change deniers? Whatever the reason, these people are haters and have an agenda. Good luck with that, EV's are here to stay, which shouldn't be a problem. You can still have your gasoline powered car, there is no reason the two can't co-exist. Enough already.

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2292384)

The two claims were the large number of recent reports of EV problems in Chicago and "Remembering all the EV’s that got stranded on I 95 between Fredericksburg and Richmond three winters ago when snow/ice shut down the highway overnight and keeping warm depleted the batteries. "

- I noted that while there were a large number of reports, including the link you provided, they all appear to be based on two unique reports. Rather than going out and finding the problem for themselves, most (all?) of the stories today are just regurgitating those two reports. So, as I asked in post #2: Lazy reporting or not as much of a story as the press is making it out to be?

- As for "all the EV's that got stranded," I still cannot find one article to support that assertion. There likely were EV's stuck in the traffic jam, right next to the ICE vehicles. There may have been EV's that ran out of charge, right next to the ICE vehicles that ran out of gas. There may have been abandoned EV's that needed to be towed, just as there were ICE vehicles that needed to be towed. But what I cannot find is any confirmation of "all the EV's that got stranded" due to "depleted batteries."

Do EVs get less mileage out of a charge in the cold weather? Yes. Do ICE vehicles run as well in the cold weather as they do in the warm weather? No, their gas mileage goes down too. Are EVs more impacted than ICE vehicles? Possibly, but I haven't seen any data to show one way or another.

Are there stories of EVs having problems getting a spot to charge in Chicago in the cold weather this month? Absolutely. Is it better to have an ICE vehicle in Chicago this month? It sort of looks that way based on only those two articles. But does anyone remember trying to get gas during the early part of COVID, during the pipeline issue in spring 2021, or during the last two hurricanes forecast for Florida? During those times it would have been much better to have an EV.

Originally Posted by Jim 9922 (Post 2292478)

During the recent "deep freeze" I heard about a probable Chicago Area survey statistic: "95% of electric cars are still on the road. The remaining 5% made it home." :popcorn:

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2292546)

Just like some on this board only talk about the cons and not the pros. One difference is they use first-hand reports rather than rumor and propaganda and speculation.

Point to some articles that talk about all the EVs being towed during that particular event.

Point to some articles about wind farms going offline due to cold weather.

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2292600)

I had no idea what an ICE vehicle was. I Googled it. I learn so much by reading this forum.

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2292465)

But many drive more than 10 or 15 miles and have the heater on and handle the traffic quite well. Two articles out of Chicago are worth paying attention to but there would be many more articles if the situation was truly that bad.



Below are three articles saying there was no problem with the wind turbines in TX this year and another saying that lack of winterization (poor planning) was the problem in 2021. Guess what wind farm wind turbines sub zero weather: They produce electricity.
How Texas Kept the Lights On in the Recent Deep Freeze - The New York Times
How the Texas grid held strong amid freeze and fears of blackout
https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/to...ze/ar-AA1n7e4n
Why Did Wind Turbines Freeze in Texas When They Work in the Arctic?

Originally Posted by biker1 (Post 2292545)

Huh? What Hertz actually announced was a 1/3 reduction in the EV fleet. That means they are keeping 2/3 of their EV fleet. You can google this stuff instead of making bogus assumptions from headlines. Rental car companies adjust their fleets on a nearly continuous basis.

Originally Posted by asianthree (Post 2292575)

Our car dealer strongly suggests AC garages, because heat in FL effects battery life. Even at purchase of something as inexpensive as our electric mower, we were warned not to leave batteries in the FL garage. Charge and store in climate control house.or battery life will be half. So not sure about EV auto in heat, only have experience in cold. So far our family have traded in before batteries were in need of replacement.

We are swapping kids EV for our 7 person suv for the summer will see how TV heat effects the EV batteries.

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2292285)

Electric vehicles are losing their charge in the cold weather. They also have diminished performance in hot weather. Watching the news, these EVs look abysmal for cold weather climates.

Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2292300)

During cold weather the cars heater chews up the battery charge rapidly. Not a problem for those leaving their garage fully charged for a short commute, but major issues otherwise. Remembering all the EV’s that got stranded on I 95 between Fredericksburg and Richmond three winters ago when snow/ice shut down the highway overnight and keeping warm depleted the batteries.

Originally Posted by Southwest737 (Post 2292662)

1) Norway Is the Only Country Where the Majority of Car Sales are All-Electric

Norway is one of the coldest regions in the world and is crisscrossed by fjords that make some areas difficult to access. Given concerns that EV batteries don’t run effectively in low temperatures and don’t have as long a range as gasoline vehicles, one would expect that Norway would be one of the last regions to adopt EVs. To the contrary, Norway and its Scandinavian neighbors such as Iceland and Sweden are far and away the leaders in EV adoption. Eight out of 10 passenger car sales in Norway were all-electric vehicles in 2022, with 150,000 sold in total.

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2292288)

I've seen the recent articles and they sound bad. But I noticed there seems to be only two articles that get reprinted over and over. Lazy reporting or not as much of a story as the press is making it out to be?

The three top users of EVs in Europe are Norway, Iceland, and Sweden - not particularly temperate climates. Maybe we, either individual owners or the country as a whole, are doing it wrong.

Originally Posted by asianthree (Post 2292294)

Three kids all have one EV

one in St Paul, heated garage, because it’s ST Paul, EV no issues winter or summer, second car is a Benz.

One in MI heated garage, EV lives among the 4 Rovers, no issues winter or

One in Louisville, EV and a Beemer, share AC garage No issues using Ev winter or summer, but AC could extend batteries.

All drive less than 10 miles to work, but may return multiple times in 24 hour. EV traded in before batteries need replacement. But they are diehard EV users, and will replace with same.

Originally Posted by Marine1974 (Post 2292698)

I guess my question is what do they do with the EV batteries when they outlived their life span , landfills? And how long do the average EV batteries last ?
You are not refuting the problems with charging stations not operating in the very cold weather in Chicago are you ?

Originally Posted by Janie123 (Post 2292691)

Norway is rethinking about EVs as more and more low income households cannot afford a car and tax subsidies are going to the higher income households that are buying more cars per household than before 2010 when the big push started. Also cities like Oslo although in the north have temperate climates unlike -20 deg in the US Midwest. Average temps in Oslo is around freezing in January.

Why Norway is rethinking its reliance on electric cars - Vox

Originally Posted by Southwest737 (Post 2292662)

1) Norway Is the Only Country Where the Majority of Car Sales are All-Electric

Norway is one of the coldest regions in the world and is crisscrossed by fjords that make some areas difficult to access. Given concerns that EV batteries don’t run effectively in low temperatures and don’t have as long a range as gasoline vehicles, one would expect that Norway would be one of the last regions to adopt EVs. To the contrary, Norway and its Scandinavian neighbors such as Iceland and Sweden are far and away the leaders in EV adoption. Eight out of 10 passenger car sales in Norway were all-electric vehicles in 2022, with 150,000 sold in total.

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2292285)

Electric vehicles are losing their charge in the cold weather. They also have diminished performance in hot weather. Watching the news, these EVs look abysmal

We don't live in cold weather. The weather here is perfect for Electric Vehicles

Originally Posted by Rapscallion St Croix (Post 2292670)

Stranded gas burners too. To have heat in a gas powered, you have to run the engine and consume fuel. In both cases, I imagine quite a few drivers entered the fray low on fuel. Having said that might make me sound like an EV advocate. Nope. My will will specify that my hearse must be V8 powered Detroit steel.

Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2292300)

During cold weather the cars heater chews up the battery charge rapidly. Not a problem for those leaving their garage fully charged for a short commute, but major issues otherwise. Remembering all the EV’s that got stranded on I 95 between Fredericksburg and Richmond three winters ago when snow/ice shut down the highway overnight and keeping warm depleted the batteries.[/QUOTE

Fake news

Originally Posted by Southwest737 (Post 2292662)

1) Norway Is the Only Country Where the Majority of Car Sales are All-Electric

Norway is one of the coldest regions in the world and is crisscrossed by fjords that make some areas difficult to access. Given concerns that EV batteries don’t run effectively in low temperatures and don’t have as long a range as gasoline vehicles, one would expect that Norway would be one of the last regions to adopt EVs. To the contrary, Norway and its Scandinavian neighbors such as Iceland and Sweden are far and away the leaders in EV adoption. Eight out of 10 passenger car sales in Norway were all-electric vehicles in 2022, with 150,000 sold in total.

Originally Posted by ron32162 (Post 2292727)

WOW is it called blowing one's own Trumpet or sing one's one praises?