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Topspinmo 03-29-2022 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by jimbo2012 (Post 2077743)
It doesn't take that long to charge.

U can buy an ev and drive 300 miles for less than $35,000

Nevada mines hold 25% of the world's lithium supply.
The State of Maine discovery a huge deposit.

The batteries are 95% recyclable.

Per figures reported by Cox Automotive, EV sales totaled 487,560 units in 2021,
an 89-percent increase over the 257,872 units sold in 2020. The figures also reveal a 71.8-percent increase in EV sales in Q4 of 2021, up to 147,799 units as compared to the 86,010 units sold in Q4 of 2020.

According to Cox Automotive, EV sales may have risen even higher had production and inventory not been impacted by the ongoing global microchip shortage.

Adding up the annual sales beginning from 2010 gets us to approximately 26.2 million cumulative electric vehicles sold, but factoring in an increasing rate of EVs going out of operation each year, we arrive at ~25.19 million EVs in operation. This is an increase of 14X from the roughly 1.8 million at the end of 2020.

Get with the times people it's happening in your lifetime.
Drop in bucket to estimated two billion plus internal combustion engine vehicles. Yes, progress good and who wouldn’t want electric vehicle that masses could use to replace internal combustion. But, numbers and cost far from reality in my life time.

jimbo2012 03-29-2022 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2077757)
Please name that brand.
Several, google it

Topspinmo 03-29-2022 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by jimbo2012 (Post 2077766)
Several, google it

Not interested, but thought it would be good for one interested.

JMintzer 03-29-2022 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by MartinSE (Post 2077667)
Well,

"In 1997, Sharp and Sony introduced the first large flat screen TV. It was created using the PALC technology and measured 42 inches, a record size at the time. This first model sold for more than $15,000, making it well out of reach for most Americans. "

I expect people said the same thing, why change to flat screen, CRTs are fine and cheaper.

And, I will bet you a dollar we have a colony on the Moon by 2030, and on Mars by 2040.
Around the same time (1996) there were various companies trying to build electric cars (GM being one of them, with the EV1).

So, by your logic, electric cars should be the standard by now, just like flat panel TVs...

Bill14564 03-29-2022 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by jimbo2012 (Post 2077766)
Several, google it
Tried that but no luck.

Under $35,000 don't get 300 miles.

300 miles cost well over $35,000

Now perhaps you will share your google search that backs up your claim.

MartinSE 03-29-2022 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2077814)
Around the same time (1996) there were various companies trying to build electric cars (GM being one of them, with the EV1).

So, by your logic, electric cars should be the standard by now, just like flat panel TVs...
Not at all. Flat screen were around a lot before they finally had a design people would buy and a company behind them that was willing to take a chance on selling a silly EXPENSIVE flat screen TV.

The same with electric cars, been around a LONG time, I think before Gas. But, never had a company that could produce and stand behind them. Now we do, and we are seeing the same thing - sales are taking off. Slowly at first, but it will grow exponentially, and 10 years from now we will look back and go WOW, how the did happen so fast.

jimbo2012 03-29-2022 05:25 PM
here you go after rebate of $7500
Alternative Fuels | Hybrid & Electric Cars & SUVs | Kia

More at 250mile range

Several more under $50K

recharge time about 15 min on average

Of course if you don't want to believe it you will not find them.

Bill14564 03-29-2022 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by jimbo2012 (Post 2077848)
here you go after rebate of $7500
Alternative Fuels | Hybrid & Electric Cars & SUVs | Kia

More at 250mile range

Several more under $50K

recharge time about 15 min on average

Of course if you don't want to believe it you will not find them.
You’re reaching. The non-Kia site lists the mileage at 237. Far from recharge in 15 minutes, the Kia site says 18 minutes to add 217 miles. And all that after MSRP-rebate but before options, dealer prep, and taxes.

Of course, if you just want to be right then these are simply insignificant details

Stu from NYC 03-29-2022 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2077850)
You’re reaching. The non-Kia site lists the mileage at 237. Far from recharge in 15 minutes, the Kia site says 18 minutes to add 217 miles. And all that after MSRP-rebate but before options, dealer prep, and taxes.

Of course, if you just want to be right then these are simply insignificant details
Would be great if you never ever have to wait on line to charge. Wonder how often that will happen in the real world

Bill14564 03-29-2022 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2077851)
Would be great if you never ever have to wait on line to charge. Wonder how often that will happen in the real world
Don’t know the answer to that but with nearly 500,000 more EVs on the road last year the charging stations must be getting busy.

jimbo2012 03-29-2022 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2077850)
You’re reaching. The non-Kia site lists the mileage at 237. Far from recharge in 15 minutes, the Kia site says 18 minutes to add 217 miles. And all that after MSRP-rebate but before options, dealer prep, and taxes.
I'm not referring to Non-kia why are you mixing apples and oranges?

Bill it clearly says Up to 310 miles of range.

Moreover, how many times do you go that far?
A few times a year maybe

You are just dead set against any EV.
Ever test drive one?

I would bet you have a gas cart.


I think you're reaching, if you just want to be right then these are simply insignificant details.

Brad-tv 03-29-2022 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2077851)
Would be great if you never ever have to wait on line to charge. Wonder how often that will happen in the real world
Maybe in Los Angeles not around here if so a rarity. More likely to wait on a gas line especially with all the volatility around oil shortages lately and Biden shutting down US drilling. Besides if you own a EV you must have a home charger. So how often do you drive 2-300 miles a day? Not very often so plug in at night full charge in the morning. Cost about $5 for a full charge. A lot cheaper that $50 at the pump Long distance travel you stop every 3-4 hours for 15 min . If I’m in a car for 3-4 hours I will probably stop to use the bathroom and get a snack anyway.Many think it’s worth it to drive a great car ( insanely fast too) but not all especially around here.

jimbo2012 03-29-2022 07:34 PM
Tesla (TSLA) - Get Tesla Inc Report dominates the electric vehicle market, and its lead is likely to grow. That's because the manufacturer of the Model 3 sedan and the Model Y SUV is one of the few automakers able to meet demand in the face of supply-chain disruptions and rising prices for raw materials such as nickel, aluminum and palladium.

The automotive group will officially open its fourth production plant, in Austin, on April 7. This would enable it to produce just over 1.42 million vehicles in 2022 against 930,442 in 2021, industry sources estimate.

JMintzer 03-29-2022 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by MartinSE (Post 2077838)
Not at all. Flat screen were around a lot before they finally had a design people would buy and a company behind them that was willing to take a chance on selling a silly EXPENSIVE flat screen TV.

The same with electric cars, been around a LONG time, I think before Gas. But, never had a company that could produce and stand behind them. Now we do, and we are seeing the same thing - sales are taking off. Slowly at first, but it will grow exponentially, and 10 years from now we will look back and go WOW, how the did happen so fast.
Only if the price comes down... (like they did with flat screen TVs...)

JMintzer 03-29-2022 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2077850)
You’re reaching. The non-Kia site lists the mileage at 237. Far from recharge in 15 minutes, the Kia site says 18 minutes to add 217 miles. And all that after MSRP-rebate but before options, dealer prep, and taxes.

Of course, if you just want to be right then these are simply insignificant details
18 minutes, but ONLY if you can find one of the "ultra fast charging stations"...

And he's ignoring the federal rebates/tax credits. Without them the EVs cost significantly more...


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