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mntlblok 11-20-2023 04:35 AM

Demons
 
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Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive (Post 2275811)

On a more realistic note though--what about Stirling engines as a charging backup for your mythical EV? They don't need fossil fuels, merely a heat source to operate, and that can be anything. They've been around for 200 years but they've remained more a curiosity (though they were used to run pumps in mines at one time).

Cool. Now I've learnt of "regenerative heat exchangers". Picturing a little Maxwell's demon sitting there operating the valve. :-)

vinricci 11-20-2023 05:38 AM

I owned a Prius Prime back in 2016. For some reason Toyota made it very difficult to purchase one outside of California. I had to search the country to finally buy mine. 38 miles on battery, then switch over to gas engine for about 600 mile range. That is where all manufacturers should be working on Improving instead of all electric.

revfiddle 11-20-2023 05:48 AM

I just remember to plug it in when I get home. I don't take any trips longer than 220 miles, so that's a non issue.

Caymus 11-20-2023 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by mtdjed (Post 2275784)
I had a dream that there will be an Electric Vehicle that solves the range of miles problem, lack of charging stations, time of charging etc. The truck will be scheduled for 2025 intro. It will get about 700 miles range without a need for stopping.

It will have its own generator to keep the battery charged. The generator is to be called a milage extender. Of course, generators require power to work. The uniqueness of his concept is that a readily available fuel, gasoline, will be used. It is planned that a small tank of gas will be stored on the vehicle. (Perhaps 27 Gal).

Wouldn't it be great if dreams like this could become reality? Close down the oil fields, no more global warning.

Alas, only a dream. Starts to sound like a complicated hybrid. Hmmm!

Going to need a lot more asphalt for road paving due to heavy EV batteries.

TEXJK 11-20-2023 06:44 AM

This post makes want to go hug a tree

Remembergoldenrule 11-20-2023 06:46 AM

Ok, what about where to put all the extra batteries when they die especially since don’t last as long, how manny trees will be cut down for factories, Electric car batteries are complex components containing many rare earth elements (REE), like lithium, nickel, cobalt, and graphite. As their name suggests, these materials are difficult to find and extract, requiring intensive mining and even some polluting processes to separate them from the soil. Let’s not forget these mineral mines are mostly controlled by China and child labor laws don’t apply. Some studies have shown that the manufacturing of a typical EV battery can result in higher carbon emissions compared to gasoline cars. This is due to the significant amount of energy required for the procurement of raw materials and the manufacturing process itself.
Extracting lithium from the brine is fairly straightforward and is done by evaporating the water to leave behind a lithium-rich solution.

Lithium mining’s environmental impact

Because of this evaporation process, lithium mining uses a large amount of groundwater that gets lost in the process. This can deprive local communities of drinking water and harms farming by reducing the water available for irrigation – especially given that most of the world’s lithium is extracted in arid regions with scarce water supplies in the first place.

On top of that, the remaining liquid left after lithium is extracted can contain toxic or radioactive elements and needs to be cleaned and stored before it can be released.
Manganese is usually mined in open pit mines, with around 80% of manganese production coming from South Africa. Australia, China, India, Ukraine, and Brazil also produce significant shares of the metal.

Manganese mining’s environmental impact

Because of its mining in open pits, manganese extraction can cause substantial air pollution, especially in dry areas where dust from mining can rise easily. Additionally, manganese can pollute the soil and water supply, including by introducing other chemical elements.
Let’s not forget all the employees replaced by automation in EV factories.
Also, don’t forget the EV charging stations use electricity which means electricity has to be produced and all the factors that go into that. Are you ready for more rolling brownouts and blackouts? Are you ok with all the environmental and other costs of more electric plants? Just thinking.

skippy05 11-20-2023 06:46 AM

Your range extendor was already a thing on the discontinued BMW electric i3. I owned one previously and it sucked even with the range extendor option.

huge-pigeons 11-20-2023 07:10 AM

There are probably 25% of so called scientists that are paid off to say whatever the payers want them to say. All of the scares these so called scientists have predicted during the last 100 years, with all of them saying we have a decade before we are wiped off the earth unless we do something, have all been debunked. How about the rising oceans because of the demise of all the glaciers?Isn’t Miami supposed to be under feet of water by now? These so-called scientists were predicting the villages would have ocean front property in a few years, they actually drew up maps depicting this scenario. Remember the hole in the ozone layer from decades ago? NOAA still says we have the hole over Antarctica and it won’t be fixed until the 2060’s. They also mention this hole is caused by natural means and is closing by natural means, this is why you don’t hear these so-called climatologists anymore because it’s been over a decade when doomsday was supposed to occur and nothing happened.

Bwanajim 11-20-2023 07:31 AM

Not for me. The electrical grid in this country would need a major major overhaul. Right now the average city block could only support three or four home charging stations.
Damage to the environment and in poor countries were the minerals are mined for batteries is horrible.
What do you do with the batteries when they need replaced?
Look how expensive the batteries are.
And, uh, what creates electricity to charge the vehicle? It’s not gonna be solar or windmills, it’s going to be possible fuels, and it always will be.

MandoMan 11-20-2023 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Toymeister (Post 2275826)
Lucky you OP your dream was answered by Toyota with last year's model year!

It's called the Prius Prime version of the Prius. the plug in version. Not only is it electric It's gasoline and it has a generator powered by gasoline to charge the battery. And it's zero to sixty is quite respectable.

And Toyota offers other plug in models including a SUV, which do the same.

I would be interested, except that the Prius was heavily redesigned for this year and is several inches lower. I don’t think I could get in and out. Alas! I love the Prius I’ve been driving for ten years.

bigeasy 11-20-2023 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by mtdjed (Post 2275784)
I had a dream that there will be an Electric Vehicle that solves the range of miles problem, lack of charging stations, time of charging etc. The truck will be scheduled for 2025 intro. It will get about 700 miles range without a need for stopping.

It will have its own generator to keep the battery charged. The generator is to be called a milage extender. Of course, generators require power to work. The uniqueness of his concept is that a readily available fuel, gasoline, will be used. It is planned that a small tank of gas will be stored on the vehicle. (Perhaps 27 Gal).

Wouldn't it be great if dreams like this could become reality? Close down the oil fields, no more global warning.

Alas, only a dream. Starts to sound like a complicated hybrid. Hmmm!

Honda generator. Runs 24 hours on a gallon of diesel fuel. Put this onboard.

Blackbird45 11-20-2023 08:21 AM

Look you can argue ICE vs EVs until you're blue in the face, but EVs are going to win out in the long run, and it has nothing to do with climate change. This is a new market for the auto industry, increase profits for power suppliers and all that goes with it. Musk just signed a $100 million contract with BP to supply his super chargers to their gas stations. Tax dollars are allocated to put chargers on our highways. The benefit of getting out from under the thumb of foreign countries whims, plus once everything is in place and people start to get use to the convince ICE will slowly disappear. If and when that time comes many posters who are strong ICE advocates will either not want to discuss this topic or will deny they ever were opposed.

merrymini 11-20-2023 08:24 AM

That 97 percent number has been debunked many times, it is baloney. We might be helping climate change but we are not causing it. I owned a tesla, great car, but thinking that EV autos will take over is absurd. I also own a Prius and am planning to buy my fourth one, a Prime. My present car gets a combined 55 mpg and the hybrid will be electric before switching over to gas, brilliant. I may be in the “minority” because I do not believe that people are causing climate change, but I am the one driving an EV, a hybrid, I compost, save my water for my plants, use bamboo paper products, use a Swedish sponge instead of paper towels, have native plants and a nectar garden, use a reusable container for coffee and water, stopped using saran wrap. I may be a “minority” who actually puts my money where my mouth is which is more than many people around that waste without regard, while touting climate change. Charity starts at home.

Fastskiguy 11-20-2023 08:26 AM

700 mile range. Because cars need to handle every possible use case, real or imagined. And the phallic symbol angle is important too.

nn0wheremann 11-20-2023 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by mtdjed (Post 2275784)
I had a dream that there will be an Electric Vehicle that solves the range of miles problem, lack of charging stations, time of charging etc. The truck will be scheduled for 2025 intro. It will get about 700 miles range without a need for stopping.

It will have its own generator to keep the battery charged. The generator is to be called a milage extender. Of course, generators require power to work. The uniqueness of his concept is that a readily available fuel, gasoline, will be used. It is planned that a small tank of gas will be stored on the vehicle. (Perhaps 27 Gal).

Wouldn't it be great if dreams like this could become reality? Close down the oil fields, no more global warning.

Alas, only a dream. Starts to sound like a complicated hybrid. Hmmm!

AFIK Ram is touting this truck with a 3.6 Liter gasoline engine to run the generator. It is a range extender rather than a hybrid because it relies upon the electric motor exclusively for propulsion.

Maybe it’s a good idea, maybe it’s a pig in a poke. Time will tell if it’s a Mustang or an Edsel.


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