Probably not quite the thread the OP expected I can’t quite make out what the actual issue was. But I love the discourse as a result, the wisdom of the people who post here. Such a pleasure to “listen” to you.

This is highly indicative of the problems we are facing. There is no such thing as "personal facts" there is only personal opinion. If you present facts in an untruthful way, or incomplete, that is a LIE.

I agree totally.

As one who has been openly criticized for supplying links to support my opinion and presentation of "facts", and made fun of for asking for such credible basis, I can say I offer no apology. To have civil discourse or learn from others, you must have that.

Seems to me it used to be the accepted practice on this forum until recently, and I have often...very often....echoed how much I learned from posting on this forum in the past and reading others.

Not so much any more as you can see.....some posters openly have disdain for facts.......and say so, which to me is incredible and screams justification for "shredding" what is true.

i believe in the real world, we always have known what is a fact and what is not...what is true and what is not.

Key is to accept it. Circular reasoning seems to abound.

This has been an interesting philosophical discussion about Facts, truth, and opinions.

Please keep your posts and thoughts generic and don't let this stimulating discussion turn into personal conflicts.

Thanks for your cooperation.

Moderator

Ditto. :thumbup:

I started a similar post on "truth" that flirted with subjects not allowed but found it very enlightening by our smart posters!