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Topspinmo 11-03-2019 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1691348)

I wonder why? :1rotfl:

Interestingly, we have now spent MORE THAN DOUBLE on farmer bailouts, than on all of the loans made to automobile companies...during the Great Recession.

I would link it, but the link might be too political...so y'all can easily research it yourself.

The difference though?

The loans were mostly paid back. :oops:

And yet, I'll bet a high % who were adamantly against the auto loans and the hundreds of thousands of people it helped keep a job...have no problem with paying large corporate farms for self-inflicted wounds.
:ohdear:

Did you forget the famous peanut farmer?

Love2Swim 11-04-2019 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1693012)
And you know this? They pay taxes they don’t make billions without paying taxes.

We're talking about net taxes. According to CBS News, there are at least 60 large corporations that paid no income tax on $79 billion in profits in 2018. Amazon and Netflix should have paid $16 billion alone, but instead got tax REBATES. The new law cut the statutory tax rate to 21 percent, while leaving intact most of the tax breaks and loopholes, which allowed profitable companies to zero out their income taxes.

dewilson58 11-04-2019 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Love2Swim (Post 1693025)
We're talking about net taxes. According to CBS News, there are at least 60 large corporations that paid no income tax on $79 billion in profits in 2018. Amazon and Netflix should have paid $16 billion alone, but instead got tax REBATES. The new law cut the statutory tax rate to 21 percent, while leaving intact most of the tax breaks and loopholes, which allowed profitable companies to zero out their income taxes.




Losses from prior years, tax incentives to invest in the future & employees.................all legit. Corporate Taxes are just a pass-thru.


I'm good with that.

Viperguy 11-04-2019 07:04 AM

Corporations don't pay taxes, their customers pay them. Taxes are a cost of business and they are passed on. Taxes are reduced by deductions for capital expenditures.... ie expansion!

blueash 11-04-2019 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by cgilcreast (Post 1693038)
Corporations don't pay taxes, their customers pay them. Taxes are a cost of business and they are passed on. Taxes are reduced by deductions for capital expenditures.... ie expansion!

So when I paid my city taxes which covered police, roads, snow removal, city employees, holiday decorations, local courts etc etc, were those services which only the citizens of the city utilized? Or should the corporations in that city also pay for police and all the other city services? Why should XYZ corp get the street plowed to their business if they pay no tax? Why should the police care if they are robbed if they pay no tax. Corporations use services just like people do. And corporations should pay. Why don't you argue they should get their water and electricity for free also, as they just pass on those costs in the cost for products?
The same principle applies to state and federal taxation. Corporations utilize all the same services as individuals.

xNYer 11-04-2019 07:57 AM

Tax revenue
 
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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1691177)
I think that one thing that some people don't seem to understand is that almost all tax revenue comes from private businesses that make a profit. Our Government does not generate income. So, any taxing policy to raise revenue must take into account that it cannot prevent or impede private businesses from succeeding, or you will lose your income source.

About 48 percent of federal revenue comes from individual income taxes, 9 percent from corporate income taxes, and another 35 percent from payroll taxes that fund social insurance programs. The rest comes from a mix of sources.

retiredguy123 11-04-2019 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by xNYer (Post 1693045)
About 48 percent of federal revenue comes from individual income taxes, 9 percent from corporate income taxes, and another 35 percent from payroll taxes that fund social insurance programs. The rest comes from a mix of sources.

Where do you think those individuals get their income to pay income and payroll taxes? They get it from the profit made by corporations and other businesses. Or, if they are Government employees, they get their income from the Government who got it from corporations and other private businesses. I think that almost all wealth and income in the country comes from the profits made by private businesses.

njbchbum 11-04-2019 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Love2Swim (Post 1691192)
But we have corporations that make billions in profits each year and pay zero tax. That isn't right either. Corporations should be made to pay their fair share.

What is a Corporation's - or anyone's - "fair share"?

njbchbum 11-04-2019 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by sajoe (Post 1691206)
People with pensions and 401k accounts among workers today is rare. The last time I saw the figures 52% of the population are receiving some type of federal aid with the balance paying tax. How long can the government (and how many states?) operate at a deficit? As long as people BELIEVE a dollar is worth a dollar.

2017 - but govt data is always slow to arrive!

Does the Average American Have a 401(k)? | The Motley Fool

"Data from the Census Bureau suggests that as little as 14% of all employers offer a 401(k), yet Census researchers recently estimated that 79% of Americans work for an employer that sponsors a 401(k)-style retirement plan. How is that possible? Large companies that employ high numbers of workers are the most likely to sponsor retirement plans.

All that said, not everyone who's offered an employer-sponsored plan actually takes advantage of it. Of those 79% of Americans who get the choice to fund a 401(k), only 41% opt to participate. As such, just 32% of the total workforce is saving in a 401(k)."

billethkid 11-04-2019 10:09 AM

There is another question needing to be addressed.

Why has it been this way ....forever....regardless what political power is in charge in Washington??????

Why do US Corporations hold billions of profits in over seas locations/institutions instead of repatriating the profits back to the USA? The tax structure....this has always been the case regardless what political power is in charge in Washington.

There are some things that are/have been bi-partisan......that goes without discussion.....hint: has nothing to do with representing the benefit of the voters!!!

Jdmiata 11-04-2019 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by rjm1cc (Post 1691188)
As long as we vote for the people that want to give us something so we vote for them we will have a problem.

Absolutely correct !

HimandMe 11-04-2019 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by JimJohnson (Post 1691291)
One sure fact is it has gotten worse in the last two years. We need to get back the way things were headed in the previous 8 years.

More jobs, good economy, deploying troops? Seems like better to me.

New Englander 11-04-2019 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Rollie (Post 1691405)
There were several candidates that ran in the last presidential election whose platform was reducing the federal deficit. They all lost. Nobody cares. What people care about, are give aways.

Rollie

I could use a free cell phone.

NotFromAroundHere 11-04-2019 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Rollie (Post 1691405)
There were several candidates that ran in the last presidential election whose platform was reducing the federal deficit. They all lost. Nobody cares. What people care about, are give aways.

Rollie

They didn't all lose. One of them won.

Bucco 11-04-2019 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by HimandMe (Post 1693132)
More jobs, good economy, deploying troops? Seems like better to me.

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dillywho 11-04-2019 12:45 PM

Let me preface this by saying that I did not read every post here. I do, however, have a comment of my own. The debate about the deficit/debt is interesting and there are some valid points. That being said, I also have a question:

If everyone (everyone being a general term and not precise) is so concerned that the taxes are not sufficient, then why all the outcry when taxes are raised? I'm not talking about business taxes, but individual taxes. Brings to mind the old adage of, "Let George do it; just leave me alone."

Personally, I have enjoyed the tax cuts and the rise in my retirement funds. And, yes to the poster who pointed out that we, as retirees or participants in 401k's or mutual funds or whatever, ARE indeed those "greedy shareholders".

Bogie Shooter 11-04-2019 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by NotFromAroundHere (Post 1693137)
They didn't all lose. One of them won.

And the deficit has increased!

anothersteve 11-04-2019 07:08 PM

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anothersteve 11-04-2019 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by NotFromAroundHere (Post 1693137)
They didn't all lose. One of them won.


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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1693187)
And the deficit has increased!

I don't get your point.

US Debt by President: By Dollar and Percentage

Steve

Topspinmo 11-04-2019 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1691280)
Wow! There are so many that I couldn't list them all. Here are two. Cut the number of Federal employees and their salaries and benefits. Federal employees make so much more money for less work than other workers that it is embarrassing. And, cut out the risky student loans. So far, the student loan debt is 1.6 trillion dollars, and it doesn't appear that these loans will be paid back. But, the Government keeps shelling them out and colleges keep raising prices to spend that money. Totally unnecessary.

There few types of government employees GS and WG are majority. WG does all the manual work and GS employees do all the paperwork, figureheads, and bean counters. WG employees do have to show up to work on time, and actually have or accomplish something, and leave at end of shift down to minute.

WG employees don’t Have the option of flex time. Which means you can come to work when you feel like it, take long lunch, and go home early, cause GS employees account for their own time keeping. where WG employees are controlled by WS or GS employees that are time keeper DONE to MINUTE. So please don say ALL government employees don’t earn their wage cause some do.

Topspinmo 11-04-2019 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by cgilcreast (Post 1693038)
Corporations don't pay taxes, their customers pay them. Taxes are a cost of business and they are passed on. Taxes are reduced by deductions for capital expenditures.... ie expansion!

And their employees

Topspinmo 11-04-2019 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by xNYer (Post 1693045)
About 48 percent of federal revenue comes from individual income taxes, 9 percent from corporate income taxes, and another 35 percent from payroll taxes that fund social insurance programs. The rest comes from a mix of sources.

Don’t forget about capital gains tax, inheritance tax, 401K, tax. Lottery winner tax. Basically if you made dime feds want their 4 cents, unless you have army of lawyers to get out of paying.

Bucco 11-04-2019 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by anothersteve (Post 1693220)

Interesting, you link is very very much out of context and totally ignores the last 3 years as if it did not happen.

Does no one understand how rare, and scary it is to have such deficit increases with a "strong" economy ?

Deficits are usually going down in such an economy, and up as they did in the 2008 recession.

But hey...

retiredguy123 11-04-2019 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1693227)
There few types of government employees GS and WG are majority. WG does all the manual work and GS employees do all the paperwork, figureheads, and bean counters. WG employees do have to show up to work on time, and actually have or accomplish something, and leave at end of shift down to minute.

WG employees don’t Have the option of flex time. Which means you can come to work when you feel like it, take long lunch, and go home early, cause GS employees account for their own time keeping. where WG employees are controlled by WS or GS employees that are time keeper DONE to MINUTE. So please don say ALL government employees don’t earn their wage cause some do.

I agree that some Government employees earn their wage. But, I am very familiar with WG Federal employees. Most of the ones I worked with were overpaid and underworked. They made way more money and had way more benefits than comparable workers in the private sector. As an Inspector General, I remember conducting a focus discussion with a group of WG employees in West Virginia, where the WG employees made more than twice the income of the local blue collar workers. They spent over an hour telling me about all the problems they had with their jobs. After that, I asked them, if the job is so bad, why don't you just quit and get another job. I will never forget the one worker who stood up and said to me, "this is the best paying lousy job that I have ever had". There was no chance they were going to leave their Government jobs to work for a contractor in West Virginia for half the pay and no benefits.

Chi-Town 11-04-2019 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1693014)
Did you forget the famous peanut farmer?

George Washington Carver?

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anothersteve 11-05-2019 08:54 AM

That link is well within context considering the posts quoted.
Steve

Bucco 11-05-2019 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by anothersteve (Post 1693294)
That link is well within context considering the posts quoted.
Steve

"The U.S. budget deficit by year is how much more the federal government spends than it receives in revenue annually. The Fiscal Year 2020 U.S. budget deficit is expected to be $1.1 trillion. That's the largest deficit since 2012.

Spending was high in 2012 to combat the 2008 financial crisis. Tax receipts dropped due to the recession at the same time. Revenues are expected to be the highest in U.S. history in FY 2020"

US Deficit by Year Compared to GDP, Debt, and Events

Nothing political her, just economics. The previous link simply ignored the 2008 depression.

In 2019 and 2020, the biggest item is military spending, not what one refer to as "freebies".

"Social Security and Medicare are mandatory programs that are also expensive, but payroll tax revenues cover most of their expenses."


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