I totally agree Steve. Things happening too fast for teens to process. I think the amount of Pornography studies say they watch from a young age is very sad. It desensitizes them. There was a whole article about it in the NY Post recently. They come out with a very wrong outlook on the reality of things.

With that said no 18 year old needs an arsenal in his room and the age of weapons should be lifted IMO. Or, go join the military.

You know jack I think you're off a little by not acknowledging that fewer kids would have been killed.

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Yep, could not agree more. Its called brain washing. Expose a human mind to a constant diet of violence, pornography, and constant drama among themselves is not going to end well for some. Now do that to a teen who's body is a raging hormone machine and bang. Things can go wrong. Not some one I want to have access to firearms unsupervised.

Not really, you can fire bullets just as fast with a Glock pistol as you can with an AR 15

Here's Jerry Miculek firing 60 bullets in 5 seconds using 2 Glock 17s

glock vs ar 15 rapid fire - Bing video

You don’t know that. Point is that the NRA was not responsible for a single death so why are they being attacked instead of people who could have prevented it but didn’t? Incompetent, Cowardly law enforcement at all levels and the School District have blood and death on their hands and not the NRA or the Dog Catcher.

Like Drew Peterson said "Nothing says I love you like a Glock."

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no law will prevent further violence.Laws are guide lines for honest people. They never prevent crime

Why is it that some people want to blame everything/everyone except the shooter?

Not sure what that comment means but I hope you understand that ANY semi automatic rifle, shotgun or handgun can fire bullets just as fast as an AR 15.

If somehow the AR 15 was banned, and all 16 million of them were confiscated, the crazies would just switch to another platform.

Here is a completely legal gun that is scarier than the AR 15

Fostech Origin 12 Shotgun

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Load the 30 round magazine with 000 Buckshot shells and you can mow down a crowd very fast

You will never confiscate 16 million AR-15's. They will go under ground. Secondly, you can build one of these rifles in the privacy of your home. There are people now manufacturing what are called Ghost Guns. You can buy the equipment at a reasonable cost over the internet. The magazines can be 3D printed. I also believe that a confiscation would be shot down because of the 2nd Amendment. I can imagine AR-15's being made a class 3 weapon.

Totally agree. Feel good gun ban laws are useless. Horse has left the barn. Harden vulnerable targets like schools, and demand that law enforcement agencies actually enforce laws on the books.

Broward County Sheriff Israel will soon be spending more time with his family.

Gov. Rick Scott has ordered an investigation into response to Florida shooting

Florida Speaker of the House Richard Corcoran and dozens of lawmakers have called on Scott to suspend Israel for "incompetence and dereliction of duty."

Gov. Rick Scott has ordered an investigation into response to Florida shooting

Nailed it! :bigbow:


It's pretty sad to think that there are those who actually believe that high school kids aren't smart or brave enough, to stand up to make their voices heard...and are only doing it because they're being manipulated by supposed 'adults.' :oops:


In my opinion, the students are showing much more 'maturity'...than the adults spreading these false rumors. :ohdear:

Those kids will be exploited for political gain whether they are mature or not. Whether they are willing or not.

I know our politicians and many others are far from saints, but “ALL politics”?!?

What a cynical attitude.

I don't remember if you recall this name, Joe Clark, Principal of East Side High School in Paterson N.J. A movie was made about his experience trying to get an inner city school under control in the 80's. The movie was called Lean On Me. I knew this man when he was a guidance counselor before he was promoted to Principal. He truly had his staff and children's best interest at heart. He was one tough SOB.

A teacher was raped in the stairwell, drug dealers roamed the hallways and this was truly a case where the inmates took over the asylum. All the press and attention did change this man and not for the better but the important thing was he was trying to change the culture and was met with resistance at every turn. He chained the doors locked and his own crew of goons walked the hallway with Baseball Bats and he spoke thru a Bullhorn. The kids who attended that school learned about respect for the first time in their lives at High School age.

The summer that they tapped the movie Lean On Me was memorable. Hollywood types actually came in the school and spread garbage and graffiti where they were filming and I remember how hot it was in that school and Mr. Clark was on the film's staff as an advisor to see that the film was realistically filmed. I wonder what would have happened if his culture was allowed to thrive and spread to other schools. After a short time, you felt safe in that school and he was in the hallway with his Bat and Bullhorn at each class change. Some of the children had no one but him to care for them. They were not properly cared for at home including not being fed on a regular basis. I wonder what his school is like now?

We had the Copy Machine, Mimeograph, Spirit Duplicator contract with the district and were friendly with most of the teachers. They hated him in the beginning but most loved him in the end, he was one tough man and took no garbage from anyone. I wonder how he would handle this gun situation?

I'm not saying he never used it but I don't think he ever smacked anyone with the bat, a very unconventional man who once locked the front door to keep the Board of Education Officials from HIS School. I think he was on to something.

Neat story Nucky. Lean on Me (film - Wikipedia)

One of my various sister-in-laws or ex sister-in-laws experienced the events described in this movie. Remember the Titans - Wikipedia

Just read this... I so DO NOT agree with this knee-jerk opinion. My heart goes out to all students/people affected by this horrendous event. BUT...why spread the grief to others who would be impacted in our tourism economy??? Makes no sense to me.

PARKLAND SCHOOL SHOOTING SURVIVOR ASKS TOURISTS TO BOYCOTT FLORIDA UNTIL GUN REFORM PASSES

PARKLAND, Fla. - David Hogg, a survivor of the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School shooting in Parkland, Florida, is now calling for tourists to boycott Florida during spring break to raise awareness for gun control.

“Let’s make a deal DO NOT come to Florida for spring break unless gun legislation is passed,” Hogg tweeted to more than 280,000 followers. “These politions [sic] won’t listen to us so maybe the’ll listen to the billion dollar tourism industry in FL."

According to WTVJ, Hogg said in a video that tourists shouldn’t come to Florida for spring break or summer vacations, saying, “How can you expect people from across the nation and the world to come to South Florida if we can’t guarantee their safety because of the inaction of these politicians? I understand there will be economic ramifications from this, but that is only if these politicians refuse to take quick and swift action to resolve these gun issues.”
Hogg also suggested that tourists instead go to Puerto Rico, tweeting, “It’s a beautiful place with amazing people. They could really use the economic support that the government has failed to provide.”

This what I meant when I said:"legislation driven by emotion never ends up solving anything". There's a problem and creating another problem is not the answer. Good intentions can cause negative reactions.

That is not going to work. Doubt if many people take up this Spring Break boycott.

I do feel for these kids though and the others affected by this horrible experience for all involved.

Amen to all you say here!

Here is another item we all should keep in mind as this unfolds, and this not to say Sheriffs are all bad, Sheriffs are elected officials. I need not say more.

PARKLAND, FLA. (WSVN) - A student who was at school during the time of the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas said he saw School Resource Deputy Scot Peterson sit by and do nothing.

“He’s the only one with a gun,” Huff said. “He’s wearing a bullet proof vest, he has all that while school security guards, coaches were running in shielding kids — Coach Feis, Hixon were running in, shielding kids from bullets and losing their lives while he did nothing.”


Student to Stoneman Douglas officer: ‘You could have saved a lot of lives’ – WSVN 7News | Miami News, Weather, Sports | Fort Lauderdale

Was 'Cowardly' Fla. Deputy Told to Wait for Backup?

According to USA Today, Israel was asked by a reporter “whether his deputies were told to wait for SWAT officers before going into the building.” Israel said he didn’t know anything about that and moved on to another question. He did not respond to a direct follow-up by USA Today.

Was 'Cowardly' Fla. Deputy Told to Wait for Backup? | RealClearPolitics

Can the Gov even fire the Sheriff if he wants to? How do you fire an elected official? Impeach, maybe, I guess. Recall? Something. BC that would leave him open to being able to fire elected officials for whatever reason, technically.

Just saw a report by a Florida Congressman about what can be done with the Sheriff. He said, Under the Florida Constitution, the Governor, could suspend the Sheriff and appoint a temporary replacement. The Florida Senate would then decide whether to re-instate the Sheriff, or remove him from office.

Ah, interesting.

I'm a simple man and will make this short:

1. Why is it OK for an 18-21 year old to buy a rifle but not handgun? New law = 21 for all firearms. period

2. Background checks and waiting period = Abide by the Federal laws to a T. Strengthen the alerts re Mental/psychological issues. Strong responsive local/state/fed databases and closed-loop system for 'Say Something' reporting. Hold people accountable.

3. Entry points to schools - must be hardened and monitored.

4. Allow highly trained/certified school staff/teachers access to safely secured guns in key areas within the school.

ps. Fire Sheriff Israel today for dereliction of duty.

No simple solutions of course, but this time = DO SOMETHING substantial. We will never be completely safe against a crazed gunman anywhere, but should increase our defense...and offense.

DeanFl, Amen........ Pretty simple. Why can the people figure this out but not the Politicians?

Still wonder if teachers who are under fire would be able to hit anything? Many combat veterans think arming teachers is a bad idea. If the teacher is a combat veteran that would be OK but otherwise.... And you might have to worry about a combat veteran teacher too if he or she has had a lot of traumatic events in his or her life.

Is Arming Teachers a Good Idea? - Veterans Talk Arming Teachers

If you have been in a life threatening situation-- I have been in several such as 4 cars spinning out of control and an attempted carjacking-- it is hard to think clearly at that time. Unless you have a lot of training for that kind of action.

Also had a "friend" put a BB into my left pinky after initially pointing the BB gun at my left eye. I convinced him to try shooting between my fingers rather than shooting my eye out. He missed the space between my fingers. I squeezed the BB out of my pinky. That was the start of my journey away from these "friends" I hung around when about 15.

It is hard to think when you have a gun pointed at you even if in my case it was just a BB gun. It could easily have taken my eye out though.

Sufficient training is supposed to replace/reduce the thinking part of the equation....which works for the majority of those trained...properly.

Is someone ever shooting back in these training situations?

I do know people I would expect would be able to handle themselves very well in a firefight but the average teacher is not one of them.

Why are there not more suggestions for making it more difficult or stop an unwanted intruder in a school.

Seems like too many are too focused on the gun aspect and not giving enough attention to other defense measures.

All classroom doors locked while class is in session.
All entry doors to the school locked during the day.
Have only one door that is managed for allowing either entry or departure.
Shooter on the property notification to be a loud and disturbing alarm.
To name a few.

Places like TV that are noted for their volunteering...start a volunteer guard force made up of retired military, fire, police....to patrol/monitor school property and hall ways....yes armed.

And for this creative thinking request there is no negative commentary on anybody's suggestions.....objective is to create a list of possible actions.....some of which will be incorporated....that will MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

Expecting the resolve to come from a hot bed political driven subject like guns.....is pretty much a waste of time.

What is it we the people can come up with that can be incorporated tomorrow....without politics....or special interest meddling?

Volunteer armed hall monitors. Google it.

Excellent post, from someone who has been a well respected person for a long time because he worked hard, and played by the rules.

These are the victims of the Florida school shooting - CNN

Let's remember the victims/survivors of the Parkland shooting and what they went through. And try to have some empathy with the kids in schools now who have to live with the real possibility that there might be yet another shooting. Empathy though is the most important and not who has the most guns on campuses. Do not see more guns in schools as creating an atmosphere of learning. That sounds like a prison but guards have the keys to gun rooms they do not carry firearms. Why? Because prisoners might take these weapons away and use them on the guards and prison staff.

Schools should be teaching everything but the gun culture we have in America.

Some areas of the country are deeply connected with this gun culture so they might reasonable take another approach.

Talk to teachers and students you know about what they want to happen? Fewer accessible guns due to mental health checks, locks on guns in home put on by parents, sales restrictions of certain types of guns, stopping of manufacturing of certain guns, aggressive parenting, mental health systems in schools at all levels, etc.

The politics of guns, where made, where sold, in what state, etc, etc, as in the past is a deterrent to getting any meaningful legislation beyond what is already on the books.

I will re-iterate that there is much more that can be done to protect the citizens that does not involve the gun, specifically.

The so called "gun culture" is more like an urban legend.
Many of us grew up in areas where hunting and shooting sports were a significant part of family life. Of course in our days guns were not the political pawns as they are today.

Reasonable people doing and suggesting reasonable checks and balances can get much more done than politicians. History provides testimonial to the fact politician are incapable of providing solutions to the REAL issues.

Things we should all agree on: this was every parents nightmare, the person that did this had a tragic life, should of had help and should never had a gun. Unfortunately, to address these issues an unemotional and unpolitical evaluation must be done and this is less possible now than ever. A few points to keep in mind: there was violence before firearms and will exist as long as there are people, our laws are based on crime and punishment and innocent until proven guilty and these basics no longer seem to apply, when I was growing up the choice of mass murderers was arson, fully automatic (assault weapons) and semi automatic weapons have been in existence for about 120 years so why are they so abused now? what good is more laws that the people are not willing to enforce?

Very few people had access to what would have been in the 1917 described as machine guns. There was a horrible war then where many people were at an impasse because of how many machine guns were available to the various sides. machine gun | History, Description, & Facts | Britannica.com

The History of Machine Guns and Semi-automatic Weapons - What's the difference between a semi-automatic weapon and a machine gun? | HowStuffWorks

It is more horrible to have a child die than to die yourself. There should be NO stone left unturned and no expense spared to protect our nations students from ever letting this happen again. There should be all reasonable scenarios on the table. By reasonable, I would like to know what plans someone would have who suggests disarming unethical law breakers who have NO conscience. It is already illegal to use drugs. It certainly has not stopped drugs from being widely used and thousands of people dying from heroin
overdose in the last few years.

I think we need to move on to having guards who know how to use firearms and are decent law abiding people.

Columbine, April 20, 1999. Columbine High School massacre - Wikipedia. This story is the same for every incident. Some one always knows something, the individuals are mentally ill, and get their inspiration from society. Harden the targets and live each day as if some one is in the planing stage. If we do not then its just a matter of time.

And the jack jawing about needing to do something is the same. And as history has shown there will be nothing of consequence accomplished by the politicians and special interest folks.....again.