Actually, that needs correction.

Two of the cable news networks have shows where they will not mention his name.

The NEWS IS THE NEWS, and certainly his name, whether like it or not IS THE NEWS.

But, while we conveniently forget....Cable NEWS Networks are less news and more commentary.

Thus certain shows will not say his name, but it certainly is in NEWS broadcasts.

Ah yes Australia. I believe that is where you are required to have a job before you immigrate...and U.K.? They have bombs and lots of Muslim extremists who run over folks with trucks and Norway? Same there, They have a very difficult time with people moving in to get their social programs. Taxes are very high there as a result. Japan. I don't know. They have lots of rules and people seem to respect them. I like that.

In Ohio we know that you can't close the barn door AFTER the horses get out.

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So we just do nothing and watch people die

Banning assault weapons or implementing gun control will not stop these senseless, horrific shootings.

Training and arming teachers and administrators along with manning and securing entry points to where a person has to swipe an ID to enter will stop these mentally ill cowards from committing these horrific acts.

One of the things that always comes to the surface in these incidents is "Someone Knew". This case is no different and the other is there is more misinformation then truth used in the arguments. There is a lot of gut reaction to the incident which never arrives to a real solution. In this case we need to stick with the School Shooting. This evening Bill O'Reilly had three good points: 1) The legal age to buy any firearm should be 21 not 18. (There are brain development reasons why.), 2) We should have multiple security officers and locked doors during class. 3) There should be a watch list for people that have exhibited behavior such as this young man. I could not disagree on any of these points.

Something else he brought up. The number of shootings in a given year since 1999 has decreased dramatically. From over 600 thousand in 1999, to 70 thousand. Don't remember which year for the 70 thousand number. The facts are shootings have been decreasing many fold since 1999. So there is progress.

The main stream Media would make you believe there were 18 school shootings this year. When you analyze that data presented its misrepresented. They would also try to make you believe that the NRA gets its power from donations to Politicians. Another misconception. The NRA gets its power from its ability to mobilize the voters in the field. They don't give as much money to Washington then others would make you believe.

Bill also had a physiologist that was there on scene. He went over the trouble this young man had in his life. One Thing he said which I agree is, "Social Media is the Gasoline that lights the fire of these people".

Bill's podcast tonight was so right on target I've written him to ask if he would make it available to everyone not just premium members. I have also attached a link to the data on school shootings. These are facts that cover time, shooting, casualties, weapons used all the way back to the 1800s.

If you think guns will go away they will not. There will be no ban from Washington. However States do have the power to regulate weapons for public safety. You could see more state regulations. They do have the power and this is where the solutions should come. What ever these regulation criminals will always be armed. Its why they are criminals.

Here is the data on school shootings:
School shootings in the United States - Wikipedia

If that's what happened (without putting the post in quotes like I've just done, it's hard to tell for those of us who didn't see it in real time), then it was obviously a simple typo...as I seriously doubt they believed it was "per second."

Simple typos happen, like you saying it was post #12...when it was actually post #17. :shrug:

I think it's pretty clear that the statement of 17 (revised from 18) "shootings" is factually correct...given that every firearm discharge could hurt someone.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/14/flor...8-in-2018.html

If anyone is interested, here's the list of the "shootings" that are tracked.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/15/here...eaks-down.html

Washington Post: No, there haven’t been 18 school shootings so far this year. That number is flat out wrong

Just five of Everytown’s 18 school shootings listed for 2018 happened during school hours and resulted in any physical injury. Another three appeared to be intentional shootings but didn’t hurt anyone. Two more involved guns — one carried by a school police officer and the other by a licensed peace officer who ran a college club — that were unintentionally fired and, again, led to no injuries. At least seven of Everytown’s 18 shootings took place outside normal school hours.

The SPLC Hate Map distorts reality by counting each individual chapter of a hate group, rather than just the collective organization, a practice first implemented in 1997 and which sends the tally upwards. The National Socialist Movement, for example, is listed 49 times in the SPLC’s 2015 Hate Map, rather than just once since the count includes each one of the NSM’s individual chapters.

Hate crimes plummeted 24% between 1998 and 2013, according to the FBI. Yet the SPLC claims the number of hate groups in the U.S. shot up by 75% during this same period.


And the “haters” on SPLC’s list are almost entirely on the right. “I think there’s a common misunderstanding about the way you get on our Hate List,” said Heidi Beirich, Intelligence Project director at SPLC. “We post groups on the basis of ideology, not whether they’re violent or not.

In early 2014, the FBI deleted the SPLC as a resource listed on its Hate Crime web page. It acted after 15 pro-family groups, including Liberty Counsel, notified Attorney General Eric Holder and FBI Director James Comey of the SPLC’s role in facilitating an act of domestic terrorism and urged them to distance the FBI from the group.

In 2016, the U.S. Department of Justice, under President Obama, sharply rebuked and reprimanded attorneys representing the SPLC and its allies for employing the SPLC's "hate group" label to denigrate a conservative advocacy group. A letter from the Justice Department’s Office of General Counsel concluded that employing the label against groups with which it disagrees "overstepped the bounds of zealous advocacy and was unprofessional." It continued that such behavior is "uncivil" and "constitutes frivolous behavior and does not aid the administration of justice.

"meant for one purpose" You don't know much about guns. Most popular round the AR 15 is chambered for is .223. Less powerful than a 30-06 and not even legal for hunting deer in some states. AR does not mean Assault Rifle, its from Armalite, the original designer. Hunters like the AR 15 because it is lightweight, easy to disassemble and clean, and very reliable. Yes they come in a black, scary tactical look but you can get them in pink as well. The M16 is military version, fully automatic, chambered in 5.56 and definitely designed with one purpose, killing enemy soldiers fast.

PS There are more than 16 million of them out there, good luck with outlawing them.

LOL

Here's the actual story.

No, The FBI Hasn't Ditched The Southern Poverty Law Center


And as far as 'hate groups' in general...the key word is 'group.'

In other words, it is just those people who have decided to get together with the like-minded...in a formal group.

It obviously doesn't take into account the multiples (thousands? tens of thousands? millions?) of those individuals who 'share that same hate'...but simply don't join a group. :ho:

There are estimated 5 million NRA members and they only represent about 7% of the gun owners in the country. Most gun owners could care less about the NRA. They control gun owners and politicians by FEAR and brainwashing gun owners to believe their guns are going to be confiscated by the Government if ANY guns such as AR-15 are no longer sold. Give the NRA credit....they have done a remarkable job getting their viewpoints across to the public.

School children and adults continue to die because a few control the actions (or non-Action) of the silent majority of gun owners in America. “However beautiful the strategy, occasionally you should look at the results”. Winston Churchill

Here's the actual story.

No, The FBI Hasn't Ditched The Southern Poverty Law Center

"we have elected not to identify those groups on the civil rights page."

No question about it, spreading fear (even if it's false)... works.

Whether it is about confiscating guns, or about others who look/pray/act/etc.....differently than ourselves.

Thank you. Good post. The problem is not the gun itself, its the high capacity magazines that allow the shooter to fire off 30 rounds and more without stopping. If you claim to need that type of setup for hunting you must be a really bad shot. Outlaw the high volume magazines, and you would automatically cut down on the number of people killed, because the shooter would have to stop more frequently to reload. The AR 15 used in this shooting is legal in Florida without even having a license, with no waiting period. That is insane. I'm a second amendments supporter but I think the existing laws are unreasonable.

Yep...seems the only fear that does not incite action is the fear of children having their young bodies torn apart by an AR 15.

Then, despite all pleas...politics clicks in.

As I said yesterday.....we have had 18 shootings in just 2 months....nothing. If we had 18 Cessna's crash, special session, and an passionate speech., and aviation laws passed.

People are more concerned about their individual rights than the greater good. The second amendment gives them a right to own a gun and so they are going to have one. The first amendment gives them a right to say hateful things and so they are going to do it. Americans are a very entitled people, just as we are viewed by the rest of the world. The only way this will change is if enough people contact their politicians and vote out those who are resistant. There is no logical reason for people to need an AR-15 other than ego or mayhem.

The parents of these 17 beautiful children could be what we need to get the Politicians to do something.

Organize and the movement will grow and then the Politicians will have to pass laws to ban these assault weapons.

Not sure what immigration has to do with American kids killing American kids with assault weapons ? Those kind of deaths far, far out weigh any immigrant related killings...BY FAR.

Look what MADD did for the public perception of drunken driving.


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PLEASE BE AWARE, if you have not been paying attention the last few months.

Distribution of false info from the same old source continues unabated

Taking advantage of this horrible event.

After Florida school shooting, Russian bots push gun hashtags - CNET

The parents at Sandy Hook have not had much success.

I agree.

But, but there was no Russian meddling.............

This list reminds me of when one lumps together stats for child molestation, with rape incidences, with people who are sexually harassed in a work place and/or engage in sexual acts to better their career and then call it rape.

Just my opinion, but it is mixing apples with oranges and attempts to negate the real horror of one situation over another. For example, a school yard fight where 2 sides knowingly engage and someone gets shot is not the same as innocent children being gunned down for no reason. They both are horrible for sure, but not the same on many fronts. To lump them together is an insult to the innocent.

If you want to see just how effective the media can be in manipulating world events just read this book. It is fiction but the premise is very real.

David Baldacci The Whole Truth

Much of your information is incorrect! Please give the research sites you used to come to your conclusions. If you cannot do so I will give you some sites which might be of use to you in your quest for knowledge.

"AR-15 style" semi-automatic rifles are the most popular sporting rifle in America with about 60% of rifle sales. Ego and mayhem are not the reasons why a large number of people own this rifle. Identifying those with mental health problems and keeping all firearms (the vast majority of which are also semi-automatic) out of their hands is the real issue. Focusing on a "scary looking" semi-automatic rifle when the vast majority of all firearms are semi-automatic is ignoring the real problem. If we could magically make all AR-15 style rifles disappear tomorrow, another semi-automatic rifle would appear in the headlines. Also, as tragic and heart breaking as mass killings are, particularly when children are involved, they account for a small percentage of firearm related deaths. Approximately 60% of all gun deaths are suicide (about 33,000 gun deaths and about 22,000 are suicides). Again, we have a mental health issue. Another problem is mass killings capture all the headlines while one at a time killings are essentially ignored. What just happened in FL in one day happens in Chicago every week. The vast majority of firearm killings are with handguns. Rifles account for a very small percentage. The real issues are handguns and mental health. We should, as a nation, focus on that and provide better security in schools since they are vulnerable.

So we just go round and round and no one agrees on anything.

I mostly stated facts (with a few opinions tossed in). The facts don't have to be agreed on: they stand by themselves as the truth. My opinions are another issue. Unfortunately nothing will change.

I think everyone wishes that no one would use guns to harm others.

I think this issue boils down to realistic vs. unrealistic.

If we somehow disarmed every person in this country, (by the way we aren't gun owners) then within a few hours, the unscrupulous would be rearmed. We have laws against drugs and people are dying from Heroin overdoses on an epidemic level.

It isn't that we don't share the same goals, no one we know ever wants innocent people harmed, but what is realistic? I can't imagine how a law could be phrased or implemented; would they go in and search peoples homes?

I think we need to realize that the second amendment is gonna stay. I know that many older and sick people, especially those that have moved here from large metropolitan areas feel safer having a fire arm. Most law abiding people who own fire arms will never cause harm to another.

And the evil, bad people will continue to harm, kill, hurt, rob and shoot innocent people.

When I was small, mentally ill people were put into an asylum, locked up. That in itself is scary. Most of us know someone who has mental health issues and just how to identify someone who could cause potential harm to others is very difficult to define and difficult to act upon.

I think that the whole issue is complicated and the people who argue for stricter gun laws think it is doable. I don't.

Again. Growing up where we lived the only people who had guns were those who hunted. It has been an eye opener moving here.

People who grow older and can't run or fight like they used to fear home invasions. I understand that, and that is the reason they moved here to a low crime area.

Things could change and the second amendment makes it so that if a person feels they should own a gun, can.

I understand your feelings and your view. I am not a gun owner. It is just not realistic to try to disarm people now. Half the country owns guns

In my opinion, not enough has been said about the reluctance of seeing something and saying something.

The reluctance is directly proportional to our much more permissive culture as well as the fear of retribution.

Hence nothing gets said/done. However, the post event commentary certainly corroborates that much was seen by many.

This situation, like the mental health issue is impeded by the current need for political identity and the obsession with individuals first and the greater good secondary.

Le me start with this - I don't think anyone is against the enforcement of laws that are currently on the books regarding ownership and carrying of guns. This should be step 1 to be sure they are being enforced. But your post brings up at least 4 issues in need of serious discussion before any laws are changed.

The whole concept of "let's just get rid of this or that" is just too simple and will not solve the real problems. In fact, it reminds me of those who go to the doctor and want the simple fix. Give me a medicine to take care of my problem, which often is just the easy way out. It's much harder to make lifestyle changes that may actually solve the problem, not just mask it. That's how I see this gun problem. Some just want what I see as a quick fix, others may want to do nothing, but many of us would rather address the real issues and see the hard work done in order to obtain long lasting and further reaching changes in our society.

I agree with you. Get the politics out of this issue and prevent this from happening again. No one needs a AR-15 - ban the sale of these weapons. Getting them off of the street, of course, is another obstacle. The Quick Fix, if there is one, would work for me. I have grandchildren that are at risk by just going to school.

1. You are correct that simply getting rid of things with no discussion is not good. However, as I keep using as an example...if 18 Cessna planes went down since Jan 1, there would be hearings and public discussion about the Cessna. Yet, all we do on this area of discussions is make speeches to satisfy whatever constituency we want to speak to.....and then wait for the next time our children are killed.

2. There are common sense fixes that should be discussed and integrated. For example, while this had nothing to do with this shooting incident, we had an exec order to not allow recepiants of Social Security benefits who have been already judged not to have the mental capacity to handle their own affairs to get gun permits. That was somehow considered wrong and taken away.

We put people on the terrorists watch lists, YET adamantly defend them to have guns even though we judge them a terrorist threat.

We have open public hearings on many things but this does not seem to rise to the proper importance level and that makes no sense.

I am not against people owning weapons but no one stands a chance against an AR-15 with a handgun and the destruction that they cause is always massive. There needs to be more control over these automatic weapons. I also agree that MUCH more needs to be done for the mentally ill and drug addicted.

An "AR-15 style" rifle is not an automatic weapon. Automatic weapons, with a few exceptions such as for collectors with a Federal permit, are illegal in the US. This is a common misconception by those with little knowledge of firearms and sometimes propagated by the media. An AR-15, as with the majority of firearms including handguns and rifles as well as many shotguns, is semi-automatic.