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Cisco Kid 02-28-2018 11:37 AM

Dick's sporting goods will no longer sell "Assault-style guns" and hi capacity magazines.

I would bet less that 2 percent of shooting involve this type of gun. But the media love them. The Dick is choosing what weapon of death not to profit off of for some cheap advertisement .Or they would stop selling hand guns, that kill the most, then knives. And all the guns the kill the innocent animals . Then the items used to kill all the fish. The store is a death factory.

GoodLife 02-28-2018 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1519284)
Concisely stating the problem (highlighted above).

WHY? Do so many believe the solution(s) are the problem for the politicians?

What have we the people, especially the parents of school children done to make their school safe?
For starters they need to stop mindlessly referring to the problem as a gun problem.
Then decide what is it that can be done TODAY that will make the schools safer than they were today?
The problem does not require politicians to "harden the target".

I don't think you have thought this through. Lets say that I, a private citizen, decide to personally take steps to "harden" the local school.

Step 1. I assemble all my guns, drive to nearest school and let Principal know I am there to protect the students. "Where should I set up?"

Step 2. I assemble all my tools, go to Loews and charge $100,000 worth of bullet proof windows and doors and go to the nearest school and begin installation.

Step 3. I go to nearest gun store, buy a bunch of Glocks then proceed to nearest school and present them to each teacher.

In any of these scenarios I end up making my next post from a jail cell.

There are hundreds of thousands of schools in the USA, to harden them all will cost trillions of dollars. This means taxes, government, and politicians will be involved.

Kenswing 02-28-2018 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Cisco Kid (Post 1519297)
Dick's sporting goods will no longer sell "Assault-style guns" and hi capacity magazines.

I would bet less that 2 percent of shooting involve this type of gun. But the media love them. The Dick is choosing what weapon of death not to profit off of for some cheap advertisement .Or they would stop selling hand guns, that kill the most, then knives. And all the guns the kill the innocent animals . Then the items used to kill all the fish. The store is a death factory.

Dick's also stopped selling AR-15's after Sandy Hook. How many times are they going to stop selling them?

I stopped buying at Dick's years ago.

GoodLife 02-28-2018 12:00 PM

Several officers from the neighboring Coral Springs Police Department have told reporters that when they arrived on the scene, deputies from Broward County were standing outside. They claim that they were the first to enter the school after the shooting began.

Our sources near the Broward County Sheriff's Department are telling us that the deputies who arrived at the scene of the shooting were told not to enter the school unless their body cameras were turned on," Ingraham said on Monday night. "And then, we found out that the deputies did not have body cameras. So, they did not enter the building, or engage the shooter.

"Curiously, the police also lost radio communications during the Parkland shooting," Ingraham went on. "Our source claims that radio communication also went dead during the Fort Lauderdale Airport shooting in 2017, that he (Israel) also got a lot of criticism for.

Broward Deputies Reportedly Told Not to Enter School Without Body Cams

Sheriff Israel is in a heap of trouble.

GoodLife 02-28-2018 12:09 PM

How Authorities Failed To Stop School Shooter Nikolas Cruz
After missing warning signs, law enforcement and others are now quick to say they need more power to stop the next tragedy
How can the senseless killing of 17 people at Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, be made even more tragic and disturbing? By realizing that it could have and should have been prevented by existing authorities using current laws and policies.


The discourse in the wake of the shooting has mostly been about all the new laws we need to prevent such horrors from happening again—increased ages for rifle purchases, a ban on bump stocks, prohibition of "assault weapons" and semi-automatics, easier ways to commit mentally ill people, and more. But the plain, awful truth is that law enforcement and other agencies had all the information and power they needed. Yet the authorities failed to act both during the shooting itself and in the months and years leading up to it. Creating new programs and laws, many of which have little if no relevance to mass shootings or crime in general, will do absolutely nothing to cure official incompetence and indifference.

How Authorities Failed To Stop School Shooter Nikolas Cruz - Hit & Run : Reason.com

My Post 02-28-2018 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenswing (Post 1519303)
Dick's also stopped selling AR-15's after Sandy Hook. How many times are they going to stop selling them?

And then opened a new store called "Field&Stream" that continued selling them!!!!

Can't make that up.

billethkid 02-28-2018 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1519300)
I don't think you have thought this through. Lets say that I, a private citizen, decide to personally take steps to "harden" the local school.

Step 1. I assemble all my guns, drive to nearest school and let Principal know I am there to protect the students. "Where should I set up?"

Step 2. I assemble all my tools, go to Loews and charge $100,000 worth of bullet proof windows and doors and go to the nearest school and begin installation.

Step 3. I go to nearest gun store, buy a bunch of Glocks then proceed to nearest school and present them to each teacher.

In any of these scenarios I end up making my next post from a jail cell.

There are hundreds of thousands of schools in the USA, to harden them all will cost trillions of dollars. This means taxes, government, and politicians will be involved.

I did not intimate that I had thought it through.
I merely suggest the parents and administrators and any other interested parties meet to determine what can be done.

Nothing is an unacceptable answer before meeting.
Worrying about what the other thousands of schools may or may not do does not affect what we would do here locally.

If the parents do not seize the initiative then nothing will get done as in the past.

To even think about a nation wide solution is not practical. Just observe the political grid lock in Washington.

Until those invested take the initiative to problem solve THEIR school....life in school will go on as usual with nothing done....again.

I do not subscribe to or support any position that states nothing can be done.

My Post 02-28-2018 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1519346)

I do not subscribe to or support any position that states nothing can be done.

What about for terminally ill medical patients?

Steve9930 02-28-2018 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1519316)
How Authorities Failed To Stop School Shooter Nikolas Cruz
After missing warning signs, law enforcement and others are now quick to say they need more power to stop the next tragedy
How can the senseless killing of 17 people at Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, be made even more tragic and disturbing? By realizing that it could have and should have been prevented by existing authorities using current laws and policies.


The discourse in the wake of the shooting has mostly been about all the new laws we need to prevent such horrors from happening again—increased ages for rifle purchases, a ban on bump stocks, prohibition of "assault weapons" and semi-automatics, easier ways to commit mentally ill people, and more. But the plain, awful truth is that law enforcement and other agencies had all the information and power they needed. Yet the authorities failed to act both during the shooting itself and in the months and years leading up to it. Creating new programs and laws, many of which have little if no relevance to mass shootings or crime in general, will do absolutely nothing to cure official incompetence and indifference.

How Authorities Failed To Stop School Shooter Nikolas Cruz - Hit & Run : Reason.com

Hence one of the reasons for the 2nd Amendment. If you believe Government can protect you, you are going to be very disappointed. We need to protect each other, We need to look out for each other, and We need to solve these problems locally.

Villagesperson 02-28-2018 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by My Post (Post 1519349)
What about for terminally ill medical patients?


I assume that the below brief recap would fit what you speak of.

"Receiving full social security disability benefits because of a mental illness and couldn't work and they were unable to manage their own benefits, thus needing the help of a third party to do so".

Actually, it leaves out the terminal illness part, but makes it even more important.

THAT WAS a law by EO, but since reversed Jan 2017

Both the NRA and ACLU opposed this EO when it was signed in 2016, and now reversed.

DeanFL 02-28-2018 05:09 PM

Excellent idea IMO - I totally concur with this.


(CNN)The father of a student who was killed in the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School said parents who don't like President Donald Trump's controversial suggestion that armed teachers could combat school shooters are free to send their kids to other schools.

"You have the choice to go to any school you want, so my answer to them is, 'If you don't want a teacher or a marshal or you don't want someone with a gun at your school, you go to a gun-free school zone. That's where you go,'" said Andrew Pollack, who attended the meeting last week at which Trump suggested arming teachers.
Leaving to parents whether to send their children to schools with armed teachers or a police presence "fixes everything," said Pollack, who spoke Wednesday with anchor Alisyn Camerota on CNN's "New Day."

"This is America, and it's freedom of choice, right?" said Pollack, whose daughter, Meadow, died in the Parkland, Florida massacre.
The grieving father, who gained notoriety after telling the President last week he is "****ed" that school shootings keep happening, reiterated that sentiment with Camerota.

"This is my life," Pollack said, "and I just want to be the last one. It stops with me."

Pollack also revealed that he hears Meadow's voice in his head, calling him "Daddy" and empowering him to "work nonstop" to combat school shootings, he said.

billethkid 02-28-2018 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by My Post (Post 1519349)
What about for terminally ill medical patients?

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Steve9930 02-28-2018 07:46 PM

There is more info coming out on why the resource officer did not enter the building. Don't believe everything that you have heard or read so far. O'Reilly had some information this evening that he's uncovered. He's convinced me to step back and wait for the investigation. It sounds more like a poor plan, erroneous information, lack of leadership, and a lot of confusion at the time. Just enforces my believe that if you rely on Government to protect you or your love one's you will be very disappointed.

It also reminded me of this story. General Eisenhower was asked if he had a battle plan. His response was priceless: "There's always a plan until the first shot is fired".

Carl in Tampa 02-28-2018 11:43 PM

In God and Glock I Trust
 
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Originally Posted by Chi-Town (Post 1518335)
Like Drew Peterson said "Nothing says I love you like a Glock."

Sent from my VS995 using Tapatalk

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Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1518372)
Not sure what that comment means but I hope you understand that ANY semi automatic rifle, shotgun or handgun can fire bullets just as fast as an AR 15.

If somehow the AR 15 was banned, and all 16 million of them were confiscated, the crazies would just switch to another platform.

Here is a completely legal gun that is scarier than the AR 15

Fostech Origin 12 Shotgun

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Load the 30 round magazine with 000 Buckshot shells and you can mow down a crowd very fast

I think you will find that the Fostech and similar "Street Sweeper" shotguns have been classified as Class III Dangerous Devices (like full auto machineguns) and are tightly controlled, as well as being very expensive.

You are certainly correct that if all AR-15s were banned, the crazies would simply switch to another gun. The school shooting which resulted in the most deaths was Virginia Tech, where a Glock pistol was used.

As a friend of mine says at the end of almost every post he makes, "In God and Glock I trust."

Steve9930 03-01-2018 09:57 AM

In a previous post I put up a link to the Columbine incident. If you took the time to read it, you would have noticed the two shooters had made bombs out of 20 LB. Propane bottles,(Evil always finds away). They failed to exploded, Why, I believe some one reached down from above and said not today. Anyway the authorities indicated had these devices exploded, it would have brought down the roof of the building and the casualties would have been over 400. Its a scarry world today and laws will not change that fact.


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