This sounds like a very good start.

The NRA is a convenient target.
The problem is congress and the circle the congress.
A responsible/accountable to we the people congress would not be affected by the NRA .............which happens to be just one special interest/lobbyist/minority groups.

IF YOU SEE SOMETHING, SAY SOMETHING should also be the best option until laws are updated.

In this case, there is no need for any laws to be updated. The shooter, Nicholas Cruz, committed a Felony in Florida when he made school shooting threats. Numerous people SAW SOMETHING, AND SAID SOMETHING. FBI and local sheriffs took a coffee break and then DID NOTHING.

Can someone explain to me how our politicians are indebted to the NRA? I'm not sure I understand it---only that these politicians will not criticize the NRA even if they secretly believe that the gun laws are not effective. Is it just the money? Is it because the NRA subsidizes certain candidates and their parties?

But this needs to be national, not just in certain states

The students are on the right path with marches and #gunreformnow. The students must become the moving force for gun control since adults don't seem to think its important and the government refuses to take any meaningful action. The killing of innocent people with weapons of war has become all too normal in our society and its time for people to demand reform from their elected officials. The common shootings are crazy and changing our society. It really hard for me to believe there are people can actually think no gun reform is needed. Would they think the same if it was their child or loved one shot?

Don't blame the NRA
 

Wrong, Wrong, WRONG.

Bump stocks were ruled legal by Obama's ATF.

Here is part of the NRA position on bump stocks: "The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations."

You can find the statement on the NRA web site.

As I said earlier, no gun ban can eliminate all deadly weapons. The real answer is to harden the target; entry control, multiple armed security personnel.

FL school shooting - NON-POLITICAL
 

All this reminds me of our perception of driving drunk prior to MADD grass roots pioneers becoming a serious political movement who literally changed how Americans and law enforcement viewed DWI. It will take the same impetus to change our view of firearms designed to kill people, not game animals. Mess with affluent people as was the case with the recent mass shooting and this may be the tipping point that will put our country on par with other 1st world countries. I can only hope.







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Harden the target.
 

The NRA has a political action arm, the Institute for Legislative Action. It engages in campaigning for Second Amendment issues. It contributes to the campaign chests of legislative candidates who are pro-Second Amendment.

This operates identically with hundreds of other special interest groups who target their contributions toward candidates with whom they agree.

You will find many hunters and police officers are members of the NRA. For decades the NRA has offered hunter safety courses; police marksmanship courses; and gun safety at home courses.

On your other subject, there is no conceivable gun law that could be written that would prevent people from acquiring guns and using them to kill people. Not even an outright ban on all firearms. There are many millions of firearms and rounds of ammunition in circulation in the United States. Banning them would just create a Black Market. (Remember how Prohibition worked?)

We must "harden the targets." Have controlled access at schools; use metal detectors; have many armed security personnel. Israel made this system work. We can too.

A must read for those interested in facts...and the history of the NRA.

National Rifle Association'''s Change on Gun Control in 1970s | Time


Another one.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.6e5869b2e11b

I, for one, am proud of these 'kids' who are standing up and voicing re this horrible issue.

This is the Millennial generation who....
- samples Tide pods
- is self-absorbed narcissism and sheltered
- has social media a huge part of life
- expects silver-platter entitilement
- is the "I" generation
- shows grammar is not important

perhaps a short list... and on and on....

BUT- THEY will be a HUGE voter group very soon, and our elected officials will take notice.

From what I have heard -on news and such- these 'kids' are idealistic but hopefully will grow in numbers to impact some positive change on this huge national issue. I may not agree with all their demands etc, but good for them to be out there. I sure respect that.

kare11.com | Student's invention protects his school

This is a useful invention by a kid who came up with something that might lower the number of people hurt or killed in these shootings.

I think it is unfair to generalize all kids. We did some pretty stupid things in our youth also but the difference is now everything is online for the world to see and judge. I really pity these kids.

Perhaps unfair....but groups of people are ALWAYS generalized - fair or not. We, as a group of TVrs are generalized as well, as are Floridians, Muslims, Gen Xrs, and on and on. I simply stated my opinion of factors this group seems to be associated with in many publications et al.

I don't necessarily pity them, but as mentioned before, support them and their general cause with this issue.

Stunning
 

I heard today the Florida Legislature, with the Parkland students in attendance, refused to discuss a ban on Assault weapons but later in the day, debated a bill that declares porn a public health risk.

Just reporting not commenting!

Well porn kills. ;)

Me too. Our generation had tremendous power when we resisted the Viet Nam war. Hopefully these kids will be able to have influence on important issues of our times.

Thanks for clarifying. Cleary there were limits to what could be accomplished under the previous administration, when they had to deal with an obstructionist congress.

Love it!!! Your post not the other!

I do believe the NRA’s defense of second ammendment rights is relatively recent!
Since it coincides with the attack on those rights by
the political left!

These students sounded very determined today on FOX. I wish them the best in their efforts to get things done.

If there was not one gun in this country, mad men would and could and will wreak havoc and death. Criminals would still rob and rape. It is because people are not being raised with a moral compass like we were.

When I was too young to remember it was drilled into me that THOU SHALT NOT KILL. What we should march against is illegal drugs. Oh. We already have laws against them.

Nope
Gun Control in Australia, Updated - FactCheck.org


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Gracie Girl - you are the voice of reason. Thank you! I fully agree.

And around and around we go.....

FBI: US Homicide Rate at 51-Year Low

FBI: US Homicide Rate at 51-Year Low | Mises Wire

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware | Pew Research Center

If that compass was so effective, why was there a need for... civil rights laws, laws against domestic abuse, environmental laws, etc., etc., etc?

Just saying. :shrug:

Facts
 

The legislature did not refuse to discuss a ban. Such a bill was being considered by three committees. The legislature declined to rush to a vote on the bill without hearing from the committees.

There are only two and a half weeks left in the legislative session, so it is unlikely that anything will be done in this session.

Originally Posted by graciegirl:
If there was not one gun in this country, mad men would and could and will wreak havoc and death. Criminals would still rob and rape. It is because people are not being raised with a moral compass like we were.

Thank you ColdNoMore - the voice of reason.

Posted by Graciegirl: If there was not one gun in this country, mad men would and could and will wreak havoc and death. Criminals would still rob and rape.

Thanks for the link. I hope people take the time to read it. In a nutshell, after Australia updated their gun control laws, there was a marked decrease in gun related homicides.

Which generation forgot to pass the compass along ?

This has been going on since Cain and Abel it's just more visible now that it is on every form of media.

Cain had a rock. If Abel had a gun who would have won in that fight? Think what would have happened if the Minute Men at Concord had assault rifles rather than muskets, axes and knives?

People still died. People who have a moral compass do not create wars and concentration camps. I am not a proponent of guns just saying this generation did not start it. I know many fine kids who are doing good things and hate to see them painted under a brushstroke of being morally lacking. My church back home was filled with them.

These kids seem to be showing us their moral compass. I approve of guns someone would normally use for hunting and home protection. Assault rifles do not fit that description unless you are trying to put 20 holes into an intruder. Anything can be used as a weapon to kill like that jawbone of an ass from The Bible. Or spears, swords, arrows, axes, and knives from The Iliad . Or pillows from many murder investigations' results.

Tal, you're big on research. Why don't you look up how many people are actually killed with "Assault Rifles". While you're at it also look up the percentage of people killed with handguns vs rifles. Might also look at how many people commit suicide with a gun vs people killed by homicide.

I have pistols that will hold 18 rounds with factory magazines. In less than a second I can insert another 17 round magazine. Magazine size has little affect in the real world.

The shooter at Virginia Tech killed 32 people with handguns. Where's the push to ban .22 caliber Walther pistols or 9mm Glocks?

Bullets kill people. The gun doesn't. You keep wanting to blame an object on the crimes of a human.

What is clearly needed is for people to become educated before launching into any dissertation or discussion regarding weapon type and capability.

AR does not = assault rifle.
For the benefit of those who do not know what an AR 15 is or is not:

‘AR’ Stands for ArmaLite • NSSF

It is unfortunate that there seems to be an overwhelming lack of understanding that does not seem to impede anti gunner discussions and most of the media.....hence creating or adding to already existing confusion.

It is clearly demonstrated daily in all aspects of the media and public opinion that understanding and knowing are not requirements.

Why is our country the only one in the world with this problem ?

:agree:

There is good reason why the President of the United States has to be at least 35 years old.

I also don't listen carefully to anyone who hasn't held a job for ten years or hasn't gone without sleep for three months with an infant. I am resistant to take counsel from anyone who hasn't paid income tax for a decade too. I prejudge people. It helps me also if they have owned Real Estate for awhile. Or been married.. Yes. I am very narrow minded.