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My opinion? He is mentally ill...but there is some Isis propaganda in there somewhere. I think talking guns is off the mark. He could have walked in to the baggage claim from the street.

I don't have a gun. No gun in our home. I don't think making laws against guns is going to solve anything at this point. Only the honorable would comply. Only the decent would comply. Only the respectful of others would comply. Gun laws would be leaving guns in the hands of the selfish and the hateful and the merciless.

Common sense. Such as that that won the election between two people nobody liked.

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1344352)

That pretty much sums it up. If you ban guns, only the bad guys will have guns.

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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1344182)

I agree with Sandtrap. This is the type of topic that can be debated endlessly without agreement.

OK, so imagine yourself in that airport Thursday. Now imagine that the shooter had ten magazines each loaded with 9 rounds. Without any other guns around what are the odds of you being shot? What are the odds of this guy stopping before he shoots 90 rounds?

Now, If I'm there with my gun, what are the odds of fewer people being shot? I know, maybe he shoots me first. Maybe I shoot and miss. Maybe I hit an innocent bystander. You can come up with different scenarios in which I might not stop him, but there is a chance that lives could be saved if I am there. If a law abiding, concealed carry permit holder is there with his gun there is a chance, that the perpetrator could be stopped and more deaths and/or injuries could be prevented. Without legal guns in the area, there is zero chance of the guy being stopped until he empties all of his magazines.

If you were at that luggage carousel and the points his gun at you would you rather have a small chance or no chance at all? Would rather have a gun owner with a gun there or not? Without a good person with a gun, you are dead, or at least shot. With a good guy with a gun in the area, you might not be.

Which would you rather have? Please let me know and I won't shoot anyone that has a gun pointed at you.

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Originally Posted by Sandtrap328 (Post 1344346)

Thank you, Barefoot.
In Florida, any US veteran with a DD214 and a clean set of fingerprints can get a concealed carry permit by just paying a small fee (about $125). It makes no difference if the veteran was recently discharged or if he/she was discharged from the military in 1955 and has not fired a gun since that time. No classes needed nor any proficiency with a gun required. Are these the "well-trained" gun carriers that we want armed at airports, sporting events, or the town squares? I don't think so!

There is a lot of difference between shooting at a paper target in a controlled environment and shooting at a person in a very stressful situation (noise, people running, confussion about who the bad guy is, shots being fired, screaming, etc). We have all seen the trained police officers on the news who fire their entire magazine at a bad guy at fairly close range and hit him only once or twice. This is stress shooting! Imagine the 50 John Wayne wannabees in a crowded airport or sports arena or theater all pulling their guns and start shooting in their perceived direction of the bad guy/gal. Stressful situation combined with possibly decades of not practicing stressful situation shooting combined with poor eyesight and poor coordination of being an aging senior does not make for a good ending for the masses.

That's not completely true.

Florida requires individuals who carry concealed weapons to be licensed. The state includes not only firearms but items such as stun guns and brass knuckles in the definition of a concealed weapon. Applicants must provide proof of completion of training in the safe operation of firearms. However, honorably discharged veterans can use their DD-214 to satisfy this requirement.

Verify that you are eligible for a concealed weapon permit under Florida state law. You must be at least 21 years of age and a legal resident of the U.S. Applicants who are convicted felons, have had two or more DUI convictions in the last three years or have a history of mental illness or drug or alcohol abuse will be denied.

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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1344409)

Which would you rather have?

I'll take the good guy, but I'd feel a lot safer if concealed carry permits were required to be renewed regularly, with certification of successful completion of ongoing training and demonstration of basic firearms skills being part of that process. Is there anything like that in place?
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Bob C

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Originally Posted by Sandtrap328 (Post 1344346)

Someone seems to be stuck on " John Wayne " analogies though I really do not recall him in any of his films mowing down multitudes of innocents while at the same time trying to protect them. The actual likelihood is that with any luck whatsoever, there might have been one, or at the best, two concealed carry permit holders in the near vicinity where this specific incident occurred. If they had drawn, which is a terribly difficult decision to make, announcing themselves, or even fired, I do not know if the dead and wounded tally would have been lower, but suspect that might have been the case. This criminal in retrospect seemed to be awfully concerned with his own physical well being as evidenced by his immediate surrender. Painting every lawfully armed citizen as a " John Wayne Wannabee " and coupling them with a scenario of " blood running in the streets " is a time honored tactic of the anti-gun lobby to divert an intelligent discussion from taking place on the merits of gun ownership.

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Originally Posted by rexxfan (Post 1344462)

Good post. I agree and think that the concealed carry permits should be renewed on a regular basis and annually after a certain age (maybe 65). The certification would have to demonstrate proficiency with stress situtations and not just paper targets on a gun range. I know police do the stress (shoot-don't shoot) situations and accuracy counts.