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Taltarzac725 05-06-2012 02:12 PM

Thanks for the information, DaleMN.
 
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Originally Posted by DaleMN (Post 489103)
ALEC is the organization that probably wrote the 'stand your ground' law. They are right wing and promoting and writing legislation such as stand your ground, voter ID laws and other similar crap. :rant-rave:


ALEC drops push for 'Stand Your Ground,' Voter-ID laws - KCTV 5

janmcn 05-06-2012 02:58 PM

ALEC has lost many of their sponsors: Coke, Pepsi, Kraft Foods, etc, in the last few months because of their hard right agenda. Therefore they are dropping their backing of the "stand your ground" and voter suppression laws. They're not doing it because of changes in attitude, but purely for financial reasons.

CMANN 05-06-2012 03:37 PM

Just for the record, the Florida stand your ground law contains no justification for not arresting George Zimmerman.

If there were no stand your ground law in Florida what would be the justification for the police arresting George Zimmerman? I think that would be that the police did not believe that George Zimmerman acted in self defense.

It appears that they did believe that George Zimmerman acted in self-defense so they did not arrest him.

It makes sense to me. Doesn't it make sense to you?

janmcn 05-06-2012 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CMANN (Post 489158)
Just for the record, the Florida stand your ground law contains no justification for not arresting George Zimmerman.

If there were no stand your ground law in Florida what would be the justification for the police arresting George Zimmerman? I think that would be that the police did not believe that George Zimmerman acted in self defense.

It appears that they did believe that George Zimmerman acted in self-defense so they did not arrest him.

It makes sense to me. Doesn't it make sense to you?

Even if the police believed him at first, obviously after looking at all the evidence, the special prosecutor Angela Corey did not believe him as she charged him with second degree murder. Now it will be up to a jury to decide, if it ever comes to trial and if he survives that long.

CMANN 05-06-2012 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 489174)
Even if the police believed him at first, obviously after looking at all the evidence, the special prosecutor Angela Corey did not believe him as she charged him with second degree murder. Now it will be up to a jury to decide, if it ever comes to trial and if he survives that long.

have you been hiding under a rock? That whole indictment is nothing but racist claptrap brought about by professional race baiters. I should think that you were aware that. That is the most disgusting part of the case. It is bad that Trayvon Martin is dead. Let's not compound the issue by trying to destroy an innocent man if in fact he is innocent.

I don't know what your motivation is to look at this case the way you do but I can guess.

But as I said they stand your ground law has no bearing on this case as legitimately viewed not as racially skewed.

manaboutown 05-06-2012 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 489136)
ALEC has lost many of their sponsors: Coke, Pepsi, Kraft Foods, etc, in the last few months because of their hard right agenda. Therefore they are dropping their backing of the "stand your ground" and voter suppression laws. They're not doing it because of changes in attitude, but purely for financial reasons.

What is a "voter suppression law"? I never heard of such a thing!

Taltarzac725 05-15-2012 08:28 AM

New development in the Zimmerman case with the release of 67 CDs from the State to Zimmerman's lawyer.

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New evidence against George Zimmerman spans 67 CDs

manaboutown 05-15-2012 06:07 PM

medical report on GZ shows broken nose, black eyes and more
 
ABC News Exclusive: Zimmerman Medical Report Shows Broken Nose, Lacerations After Trayvon Martin Shooting - Yahoo! News

Note: This report contains some of the usual mainstream media spin, disinformation and distortion some of which is glaring.

janmcn 05-16-2012 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 489192)
What is a "voter suppression law"? I never heard of such a thing!

A 'voter suppression law' is a law passed by a state legislature that violates the Voters Rights Act and subsequently has to go before the courts, such as the law passed by the Florida legislature. The SC election law has been thrown out.

You must not watch much TV. This issue is constantly in the news.

manaboutown 05-16-2012 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 493314)
A 'voter suppression law' is a law passed by a state legislature that violates the Voters Rights Act and subsequently has to go before the courts, such as the law passed by the Florida legislature. The SC election law has been thrown out.

You must not watch much TV. This issue is constantly in the news.

Actually I watch as little TV as possible, especially the mainstream news media. Mark Twain said something along these lines. If you want to remain uninformed do not read the newspapers. If you wish to be misinformed read them. If I want to know about something I dig it out. After checking out the "voter suppression" topic at wikipedia it strikes me that it is akin to gerrymandering. It seems to me though, that there should be some way of assuring that those who vote are both qualified and entitled to vote. If I want to cash a check, get on an airplane or even enter a major office building in NYC I need to show a government issued ID. I recall reading that LBJ won his first election to the Texas state legislature through votes cast by people using names off the gravestones in a cemetery.

Advogado 05-17-2012 02:29 PM

New evidence now publicly available
 
As more evidence is revealed, it is appearing more and more that the case against Zimmerman is not weak; but, instead, is nonexistent.

However, I am still waiting for all the facts to be made public before drawing any conclusions about guilt or innocence. The one thing that is crystal clear, at this point, is that the media was suckered by the racial demagogues into reporting about the incident in a manner that was inaccurate, distorted, and needlessly inflammatory.

hdh1470 05-17-2012 03:54 PM

:bigbow::agree::agree:
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Originally Posted by Advogado (Post 493865)
As more evidence is revealed, it is appearing more and more that the case against Zimmerman is not weak; but, instead, is nonexistent.

However, I am still waiting for all the facts to be made public before drawing any conclusions about guilt or innocence. The one thing that is crystal clear, at this point, is that the media was suckered by the racial demagogues into reporting about the incident in a manner that was inaccurate, distorted, and needlessly inflammatory.


rp001 05-17-2012 07:37 PM

voter suppression laws
 
Every 4 yrs Fl has this issue it seems..There have been numerous lawsuits brought against the state due to attempts by certain political factions to disenfranchise voters..It is already brewing for the next election and the sides are lining up for a court battle...AGAIIIN ..That's why we are called Flori..duh

manaboutown 05-18-2012 09:58 AM

more from Alan Dershowitz
 
Drop George Zimmerman

skyc6 05-18-2012 10:13 AM

Whenever Sharpton and Jackson show up, the media circus starts and the whole trial becomes similar to O.J.Simpson. Just look at the Duke lacrosse mess, and what that fiasco cost the taxpayers not to mention the wrongly accused.
Why weren't Sharpton and Jackson around during the death of the Florida band member?? Oh, yeah...both parties were black, so they won't be able to gain media attention for themselves if both parties are black. That death was not important enough for them to bother. It is always awful when a death occurs, and what color they are is not important. At this point, I don't know if a fair trial is possible, and I feel there is blame on both sides.


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