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janmcn 05-19-2012 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ceejay (Post 494588)
Really...what does this have to do with it?

Of course, I am assuming, that everyone on this board would have told our sons not to get out of the car. However, I don't believe that that was the scenario that night. His father had nothing to do with it.

George Zimmerman is a grown man and able to make decisions on his own. He was out in his capacity as a neighborhood watch. He was concerned about a stranger in his neighborhood.

What exactly happened after he did get out of the car is not yet known.

Evidence is mounting and I am sure that we will get the full story soon.

George Zimmerman was not out in his capacity as a neighborhood watch that night, but was instead heading to Target with his fully loaded 9mm gun. If he had been out doing his neighborhood watch duties, he would have been violating the neighborhood watch code by carrying a gun. He was made aware of the rules of neighborhood watch at an organizational meeting by the Sanford Police Department.

Another correction to a previous poster. Zimmerman was not 5 feet 9 inches as reported by his father, but 5 feet 7 inches as reported on the police report. He was four inches shorter than Trayvon Martin, but 50 pounds heavier. It sounds like he was trying to make up for his own inadequacies by carrying a big gun.

manaboutown 05-19-2012 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 494644)
It sounds like he was trying to make up for his own inadequacies by carrying a big gun.

Actually his 9mm is a rather compact pistol. A "big gun" is say a .357 or .44 magnum or a .45. At sometime in the past he was told he might carry a gun in that area because of some frightening experience with vicious dogs. He took instructions and started carrying. As for making up for any inadequacies, that is pure speculation. He had not carried a handgun prior to his scary experiences with neighborhood dogs.

Advogado 05-19-2012 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by buggyone (Post 494638)
It is the family's right to file a civil suit after the criminal action and those are for wrongful death cause and usually asks for large sums of money. The case is decided on a preponderacne of the evidence and not beyond the shadow of doubt as in a criminal case.

Not saying the Martin family would prevail but chances are the civil suit would be forthcoming if a not guilty criminal case happens.

Agree, there will probably be a civil suit, whether or not Zimmerman is convicted. My point is that, unless there is additional nonpublic evidence, it looks like Zimmerman, rightly or wrongly, will be acquitted (or the case dismissed before trial). If so, it seems unlikely that sufficient evidence will exist for Martin's family to win a civil suit.

If the civil suit follows an acquittal, it will be another media circus-- with Sharpton and Jackson stirring things up racial strife for the benefit of the plaintiffs (and themselves) and the NRA and the gun nuts jumping in to finance Zimmerman's side. One more reason not to carry a firearm under most circumstances.

CMANN 05-19-2012 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by buggyone (Post 494566)
If YOU were Zimmerman's father, would you have told him to get out of his car, take a loaded pistol, and follow an unknown person on a rainy night? Or would YOU have told your son to stay in his car and wait for the police to arrive and take charge of the situation?

I would have said nothing. He was doing his job as a watchman. I would hope he would be safe.

CMANN 05-19-2012 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 494567)
Still not sure what happened between Zimmerman and Martin on that lawn. It also looks like the police botched the investigation of the shooting forensics so we may never know what really occurred. Trayvon Martin: 'Stand Your Ground' law at center of botched case

it could have been a simple case of self-defense. Did you ever think of that?

The only reason the stand your ground law is at the center of this is because of the anti-gun movement. It really has little to do with the case.

CMANN 05-19-2012 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by buggyone (Post 494603)
No matter what the outcome of the trial is, Zimmerman's life will never be the same as before. IF the verdict is guilty, he goes to prison. IF the verdict is not guilty, Martin's family will go after him in a civil suit possibly taking all current and future earnings.

there is the part that you do not understand. Stand your ground would prevent anybody from suing him. That's the purpose of stand your ground. To protect the defender if he was justified.

CMANN 05-19-2012 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by buggyone (Post 494638)
It is the family's right to file a civil suit after the criminal action and those are for wrongful death cause and usually asks for large sums of money. The case is decided on a preponderacne of the evidence and not beyond the shadow of doubt as in a criminal case.

Not saying the Martin family would prevail but chances are the civil suit would be forthcoming if a not guilty criminal case happens.

again, if Zimmerman is found to have been justified nobody can sue him. Stand Your Ground.

CMANN 05-19-2012 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 494643)
Anyone can sue anyone at any time for any reason. Zimmerman appears to be judgment proof since he apparently has few assets, if any. He is no O.J. in the asset department as well as possibly (or probably) in culpability. The Martin family stands to profit most on martyring Martin as they seem to be attempting to do. Sorry for the pun.

one more time, if justified in shooting Martin Zimmerman is protected from lawsuits thanks to stand your ground.

Advogado 05-19-2012 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by CMANN (Post 494668)
one more time, if justified in shooting Martin Zimmerman is protected from lawsuits thanks to stand your ground.

I would be almost willing to bet that, despite the lawsuit protection in stand-your-ground, some inventive plaintiffs' lawyer will find a basis to sue Zimmerman (e.g., federal civil rights violation). Will the plaintiffs win? I doubt it, based on the information currently available.

DaleMN 05-19-2012 08:05 PM

Don't know if they can sue or not...but remember OJ was acquitted of double murder and lost the following civil suit. So being acquitted does not necessarily bode well for winning civil suit too.

CMANN 05-19-2012 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Advogado (Post 494744)
I would be almost willing to bet that, despite the lawsuit protection in stand-your-ground, some inventive plaintiffs' lawyer will find a basis to sue Zimmerman (e.g., federal civil rights violation). Will the plaintiffs win? I doubt it, based on the information currently available.

the Justice Department are starting to believe it is racist will be investigating Zimmerman for civil rights violations. Based on their actions in the past I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they manage to dream some up. It seems to be their policy only go after white folk. I hope this is not true.

DaleMN 05-20-2012 06:38 AM

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