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As i recollect from my reading it was this focus on sea ice currents etc that have scientist now debating whether the shrinkage of land ice had been mistaken because of the variables in current etc.

My nephew is a weather guy and I tease him about the numerous qualifiers his profession uses when projecting the weather,mostly % partly .....

So now we have glowers predicting our demise. a number of articles have pointed to the computer manipulation of data. Not to mention the conceit by some that a computer model no matter how sophisticated is going to include every possible combination, permutation, etc involving our solar system that may or may not have an affect on our climate

I support all efforts to reduce pollution in our lakes cities etc . American has come a long way in reducing pollutants given transportation, power plants etc
I also agree that there is a moral imperative to deliver fossil fuels to the world's poorest country and to continue developing methods to make fossil fuels clearer. We should reengage in nuclear energy India, China etc must equal our efforts now

So true. It is all about the money.

Absolutely about the money. Make the people fearful, they will be compliant and will spend money and use unnecessary resources to save themselves from their fears.

Just so I understand your point.
What are our fears?
What was fabricated?
What do we spend money on?

China is holding the 4th World Vehicle Electrification Summit. One of the goals is to have EV charging stations across China's key cities. I imagine that EV's in China will reduce dependence on foreign oil and reduce emissions in cities where the smog is so thick in looks like LA in the 70's. Remember?
It would be interesting to read comments from non-U.S. residents to see what they believe about Global Warming.
As a side note, if you google the Portage Glacier in Alaska you will see the changes shown in photographs of the glacier over 80 years. The change is dramatic. I was in Anchorage, AK twice in the 80's and the changes were noticeable over a 5 year period.
Global warming is undeniable, the consequences of it are not.

I would say climate change is undeniable. Global warming not-so-much.

But I'm not even sure that is really the main debate. How much does man contribute to and how much can he control climate change. Those are the real questions.

CO2 concentrations have increased from 280 to 395 ppm since the industrial revolution. At what CO2 levels does everyone think we should start taking action to prevent further manmade "adjustment" of our atmosphere? When will the buffering action of our oceans be exhausted? All this carbon was sequestered many million years ago as oil, coal and natural gas and is now being released during our reliance on fossil fuels.

I still subscribe to the local newspaper (Omaha World Herald) where I lived until last September. While this post is somewhat political, it is meant to show the extreme positions of those who believe in climate change and those who don’t. A Craig Ryan had a piece in the paper’s Public Pulse. Here was my response:

Global Warming made up of lies

Wow, does Craig Ryan (1/7 Public Pulse) ever mischaracterize the climate-change “reality”!! He stated that since so many people agree that climate change is a problem that the conservatives (et al) should “accept this reality”. A 6/23/14 article in Personal Liberty Digest states, “The theory of man-made global warming is based on spurious science, phony statistics and outright lies”.

Fact: when the volcano, Mt Pinatubo erupted in the Philippines in 1991, it spewed out more greenhouse gases than the entire human race had emitted in all its years on earth. Fact: the earth has 800-year temperature cycles of heating and cooling which have been recurring since long before there was gas, oil or coal to blame. Fact: the planet has actually cooled 0.7 degrees in the last century.

But then facts must never stand in the way of an agenda. Since billions of dollars will be made if/when tax & trade becomes law it is shamefully naïve to expect an “honesty awakening” in Washington or in the press rooms of America. The climate-change problem is a truth problem. Lies repeated often enough mysteriously become “the truth”, so I understand Mr. Ryan’s belief. It’s just that what he believes is wrong.

2014 data are now in and

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/08/sc...ays.html?_r=2&

and CO2 levels are over 400 as of Jan 1 2015

I went to the "Personal Liberty Digest" and couldn't find your facts. Could you point me in the right direction?

Global Warming HOAX! :1rotfl:

This is all about "scientists" sucking the public teat for decades of funding useless "careers" and politicians of a certain persuasion confiscating more money from citizens and corporations for their pet projects. When in doubt, follow the money.

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I'm astounded at the gullibility of so many. (Well, to be perfectly honest, I'm actually NOT astounded.)

I have no dog in this fight, but this story is over FIVE YEARS OLD and has been debunked...see Snopes, Wikipedia or your fact check of choice.