Once again, I think you all have been taking "the waters!" :a040:

I'm thinking that maybe I should go back to being on a cruise ship, where no one really cares what's happening, so long as the ship doesn't run out of pinot grigio!

That said, it was a shock to arrive at Port Everglades last Friday and see all the worker-bees bundled up in winter gear!

Ah, well! This too shall pass!

SWR
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Global Warming Science
 

I appreciate some of the good humor in the previous responses, but can't resist injecting some more serious thoughts.

I participated in some of the UNEP working groups that wrote the reports that support the government officials who ultimately make the decisions (if any) regarding the protocols regarding global warming. My participation was sponsored by an industry association that has a stake in whatever decisions are reached. (Although you can't officially represent any group, you can be sponsored by groups.) Our industry is having to spend a lot of money to meet energy and ozone-related regulations. My impression was that the people involved in these studies (some from industry, some from universities, and some from government labs around the world) were doing their best to understand the science and were among the most knowledgeable people in the world on the subject. The representatives of activist groups who were present were pretty much balanced by the representatives of industry who were there.

I personally believe that human activities that result in the emission of global warming gases are making the atmosphere warmer than it otherwise would be. This belief is based on some knowledge of heat transfer mechanisms (two advanced degrees in this area) and from much evidence of melting ice in the northern hemisphere, along with the climate data that has been published.

I also believe that we need to be investing in alternative energy development and efficiency improvements, particularly in transportation. Unfortunately, this will require some spending. The government can do it directly, but this will eventually require some tax money. Private industry will do it when the incentive is high enough. But, this means higher prices for all forms of energy. Either way we have to pay...or be prepared for some significant weather extremes.

You got me on that one !! I stand corrected.......

fumar...:swear:

Its all coming back to me now !!! WOODSTOCK RIGHT ????

http://www.toilette-humor.com/images/global-warming.jpg

Need we say more?

I can remember back in the 70s of the headlines on Time magazine and others did herald the coming of a new Ice Age. I guess I missed it. But I do not believe that they were blaming it on man at the time. Recently they said that global warming is now a threat to the planet and offering what they considered evidence that was caused by man. When that didn't work we are now being told that mankind is the cause of climate change. Global warming having been reduced to a hoax.

Give a listen to this. It makes a lot of sense to me. Perhaps it will to you.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVIlEatFPvU[/ame]


Just a thought.

Yoda

This is the only point in your post that I need to address because it all boils down to this. It's your belief.

You have, and no one does, have any definitive proof of "man made global warming". You don't even have proof of global warming as the Earth has not gotten any warmer for at least the last 15 years.

The religion of "Global Warming" is really all about stripping the wealth of the industrialized world and redistributing it.

Richie..."Definitive proof" of the cause of something as complex as global warming is something hard to get, or even recognize when you see it. It's something like trying to prove that smoking causes cancer. I doubt that, even now, the tobacco companies are willing to accept that there is "definitive proof" that it does. But, the preponderance of the evidence says that it does, so I choose not to smoke. With respect to global warming, the predictions of studies based on some pretty good science say it is likely to happen and measurements of things like air temperature and glacier ice thickness confirm it. Take a look at the subject "Global Warming" in Wikipedia and you'll see some clear trends.

The debate that continues today is largely political, with those who have a vested interest in continuing to depend on oil and coal continuing to fight attempts to redirect resources to clean energy sources. They have succeeded in delaying a significant effort in the US.

Incidentally, I think there still is a Flat Earth Society that denies that the world is round.

Sorry, but the costs and hardships to the economies, and the people, of industrialized nations (e.g. The United States) are far too much for the infinitesimal results to any "climate change", forecast by even by the most optimistic of warming zealots.

Sparky, there are natural swings in the earth's temperature caused by things like solar activity (sunspots, etc.), that are beyond my knowledge. The "global warming" that we are concerned with is the difference between what the temperature would be without our influence and what it is. In some cases the warming might, indeed, be beneficial. But, I believe that we are now in a relatively warm period that is being made warmer by the CO2 and other warming gases that we've put up there. My brother, who lives near the Canadian border, says he votes for global warming. In Florida....that's another story.

Wonder if the Developers will say the sinking of the Bridge at LSL is actually a rising 'lake' and not be responsible?

If the gulf and ocean rise enough, many of us will have beachfront homes.

Us? we are still not sure, even though one of us has been an armchair instigator all his life and the other a former NASA member up here at Goddard.

We are both lifelong thriftmongers and agree that being eco friendly is about saving lots of money and having friendlier surroundings.

We're bringing some warmer weather tomorrow night, we guarantee it.

L and L

Funny that you use this logic.

I would say that 'back then' there were only a few who thought the earth was round and they were cast out (in some cases executed!) but eventually proven correct.

In today's debate you are looked down upon if you think that, yes the earth may be getting warmer, but man is not making it happen much quicker, if at all, than it would have happened.

Just like in the flat earth debate, the few may be correct again. Only time will tell. In the meantime lots and lots of people are making huge money off the fear.

It upsets me that a buffoon like GORE should make one penny off of this.
This man is a fool.

Actually, The Climate Project is Al Gore's climate change leadership program and is a part of the Alliance for Climate Protection, a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization. TCP's mission is to educate the public about the harmful effects of climate change and to work toward solutions at a grassroots level worldwide. The profits from "An Inconvenient Truth" were similiarly directed 100% towards education on climate change.

The true triumph of reason is that it enables us to get along with those who do not possess it. ~Voltaire

Thank you! :BigApplause: