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Hoosierb4 12-11-2010 12:21 PM

iandwk...It's true that sometimes the scientists can be wrong. But, in this case the predictions, made with mathematical models, clearly point to warming and measurements are supporting the predictions. The nature of global warming substances is that they allow the radiation from the sun to pass through to the ground, but absorb much of the longer wavelength radiation from the ground before it escapes to space. It's fairly straightforward when you look at a simplified model. It's sort of the opposite of what clouds do. The really complicated part of it is when you look at a a 3-d model of the entire atmosphere and the earth's surface.

What is true is that natural effects like solar activity can overwhelm the effects of what we do by putting more CO2 in the atmosphere. But, the "global warming" that we are concerned with is superimposed on top of the natural cycles.

iandwk 12-11-2010 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoosierb4 (Post 314682)
iandwk...It's true that sometimes the scientists can be wrong. But, in this case the predictions, made with mathematical models, clearly point to warming and measurements are supporting the predictions. The nature of global warming substances is that they allow the radiation from the sun to pass through to the ground, but absorb much of the longer wavelength radiation from the ground before it escapes to space. It's fairly straightforward when you look at a simplified model. It's sort of the opposite of what clouds do. The really complicated part of it is when you look at a a 3-d model of the entire atmosphere and the earth's surface.

What is true is that natural effects like solar activity can overwhelm the effects of what we do by putting more CO2 in the atmosphere. But, the "global warming" that we are concerned with is superimposed on top of the natural cycles.

I think my main gripe is the fact that they blame it on our activities, if it is indeed happening. If it is happening and if we are causing it, I wish the politicians would stay out of it and quit using it to promote their agendas, such as cap and trade and numerous others. They try to guilt us into buying into their agendas. Then it becomes rep vs. dem and there goes the price of all of our commodities. Then they try to start raising taxes to take even more, all in the name of whatever their current agenda happens to be.

thomas borst 12-11-2010 11:02 PM

sorry to say, but i have seen it for my self, living here in lake county for the past 26 yrs, seeing only the villages / orange blossom gardens, after the trailor park was compleated, and then started bulding on the west sid of 441 i seen noting but trees getting ripped out of the ground and burned in massive piles. what a wast, the county/contractors/ builders, should of reprosesed the trees and used properly for building materials rather than paluting the air and the only reson thay burned the trees were that they didn't want to lose any more time holding up their construction, and thay are still burnning trees on the southside of 466A and thay are so far back in the woods so we cannot see all the trees getting burned, it saddens me that the county will awiow this to happen, ho gives the county the rights to let them polute our air, and im not putting the blam on the residents, but we must make sure that the trees are use for the best for mankind, and the air that we breath,

The Great Fumar 12-11-2010 11:35 PM

Warming ha !!!
 
Frankly I take this Global Warming very seriously ......thats why I went out yesterday and bought a winter coat.....
Even the very liberal University of Michigan says it mostly BUNK !!!!

Would someone please turn up the heat !!!

frigid fumar .........:cold:

iandwk 12-12-2010 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by thomas borst (Post 314826)
sorry to say, but i have seen it for my self, living here in lake county for the past 26 yrs, seeing only the villages / orange blossom gardens, after the trailor park was compleated, and then started bulding on the west sid of 441 i seen noting but trees getting ripped out of the ground and burned in massive piles. what a wast, the county/contractors/ builders, should of reprosesed the trees and used properly for building materials rather than paluting the air and the only reson thay burned the trees were that they didn't want to lose any more time holding up their construction, and thay are still burnning trees on the southside of 466A and thay are so far back in the woods so we cannot see all the trees getting burned, it saddens me that the county will awiow this to happen, ho gives the county the rights to let them polute our air, and im not putting the blam on the residents, but we must make sure that the trees are use for the best for mankind, and the air that we breath,

I don't know about what you mention here. I do know that it is common practice to burn debris from the trees on a construction site. From my observation, they harvest the trees for lumber and burn the limbs and root left behind. If they bury the rubble, it attracts termites and creates hollows in the ground that eventually cave in. I don't know if that is what they are doing in TV. I'm not defending their practices, but maybe what you are seeing is what I've described here.


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