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saratogaman 04-29-2020 04:11 PM

We're 10th
 
US testing, on a per capita basis, is 10th.
• COVID-19 testing rate by country | Statista

gadaboutgal 04-29-2020 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1755848)
Did any patient go without a ventilator???

"Ventilator shortage during coronavirus crisis forcing doctors to decide who lives or dies"
Ventilator shortage during coronavirus crisis forcing doctors to decide who lives or dies | Fox News

Aces4 04-29-2020 04:48 PM

I love this country and feel the response to this pandemic was excellent given the information provided to them since no one knew exactly what this was with the exception of China. We are a very lucky population given the scope of what this could had been if the American response hadn’t been so quick as this illness evolved.

Mleeja 04-29-2020 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by GMIJFI (Post 1755765)
Given that some countries are under reporting their COVID 19 statistics either by design or by inability to report.

Given that the USA represents approximately 4% of the world’s population (source: US Census) yet has reported 1/3 of the worldwide COVID 19 cases to date. (source: WHO)

Question: What school grade (A-F) would you give our federal government management of this virus and why?

Simply curious

This is not a valid question. How are they doing compared to what? There has not been anything like this in recent history to compare against. If was a hurricane, one could compare against responses to other hurricanes.

As others have said, it is largely a political question. How you feel about the current administrations, federal, state and local, will guide your answer.

Let’s just hope we do not have another pandemic where COVID-19 can be used as a baseline.

Bucco 04-29-2020 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Madelaine Amee (Post 1755842)
I cannot imagine what would happen to this country of ours if we had to go to war, a real, say nuclear war. We are so polarized we would be doomed.

This has shown us to be fighting amongst ourselves more than we could fight against an outsider. We are nothing but red States and blue States and never the twain shall meet.

Personally, I am disgusted with humanity right now. Up until the last few years no one, never, ever, asked what you were ... meaning which political party you belonged to. When did this nonsense take over and become the norm.

Not only what you say is true, but how do we know when we are told the truth, or when someone is using sarcasm. Really miss the days that politics stopped at the door of crisis, and honest statesmen took over.

Moderator 04-29-2020 06:02 PM

Several posts have been removed because they were off topic, tilting the thread more toward political, or political themselves. The OP asked for members to give a grade for the US performance during the pandemic. Please do that and keep explanations for your answer generic to avoid causing the thread to disappear.

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LiverpoolWalrus 04-29-2020 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1755838)
Maybe not, there are a lot of Democrats in the Federal Government.

I can personally vouch for that.

I'll give the response a C-, basically because we implemented nothing learned from the drill just held in October 2019, sponsored by Johns Hopkins, the World Economic Forum and the Gates Foundation. And because the White House AND Fauci were downplaying the severity as the crisis was unfolding before our eyes in China, Iran and Italy. Granted, they rose to the occasion but a bit too late. And to this day, it's still not easy to get tested.

Aces4 04-29-2020 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus (Post 1755913)
I can personally vouch for that.

I'll give the response a C-, basically because we implemented nothing learned from the drill just held in October 2019, sponsored by Johns Hopkins, the World Economic Forum and the Gates Foundation. And because the White House AND Fauci were downplaying the severity as the crisis was unfolding before our eyes in China, Iran and Italy. Granted, they rose to the occasion but a bit too late. And to this day, it's still not easy to get tested.

It’s difficult to “rise to the occasion” when the occasion is evolving and mo one knows until details evolve from the event. People tend to forget the reactions when travel to and from China was shut down. What do you think the reaction would have benn to shutting the country down without the knowledge they have now about the virus? Monday morning quarterbacking makes everything easier.

ficoguy 04-29-2020 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by GMIJFI (Post 1755765)
Given that some countries are under reporting their COVID 19 statistics either by design or by inability to report.

Given that the USA represents approximately 4% of the world’s population (source: US Census) yet has reported 1/3 of the worldwide COVID 19 cases to date. (source: WHO)

Question: What school grade (A-F) would you give our federal government management of this virus and why?

Simply curious

D-
Shows how ineffective our system of big government is...too many people stepping on each other...too many agencies overlapping....no clear or cogent source...everyone differing on message

daddymac1127 04-29-2020 08:19 PM

Fact: people losing their jobs and not being able to receive unemployment.

Fact: various supply chains not being able to supply the necessary goods (Testing, paper goods, meats etc.

Fact: hospitals not able to handle a pandemic.

Fact: No emergency supply stockpile

Fact: not enough testing kits.

What is so political about these true statements?

In order to handle these problems, planning needs to happen. I guess if you assume that the politicians are responsible for this planning then you are not only dreaming that they can handle this situation but you are wrong.

Bill Gates had alerted everyone to this type of situation many years ago. Nothing happened. It fell onto deaf ears.

tophcfa 04-29-2020 09:06 PM

I would give a grade of incomplete. No one anticipated this nightmare, and everyone is in a "learn as we go" situation. It is simply wrong to start playing the blame game while things are still working out and we are learning on the fly. Let's see how this whole thing eventually plays out, and then we can start to give out grads, if that is even really necessary?

jebartle 04-30-2020 12:14 AM

F-, it's a pity!

DAN48 04-30-2020 05:01 AM

I agree!
 
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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 1755970)
I would give a grade of incomplete. No one anticipated this nightmare, and everyone is in a "learn as we go" situation. It is simply wrong to start playing the blame game while things are still working out and we are learning on the fly. Let's see how this whole thing eventually plays out, and then we can start to give out grads, if that is even really necessary?

I fully agree with this quote. It is totally unfair to grade officials in a complex, evolving crisis. There are still numerous unknowns and 328 million people with whom to deal. The government responses have had to ramp up over an unbelievably short time.
Come on, people. Honestly ask yourselves if YOU could have done better!!

Hayek1957 04-30-2020 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1755833)
What, within the US Constitution, could the Federal Government not punted (as you say) to the states???

What surprised me the most was the speed with which the state governors disregarded the U.S. Constitution. The first amendment, the “…right of the people peaceably to assembly, and to petition the Government…” While these are restrictions on the Federal Government, some state governors ignored this and their own state constitutions in order to adsorb more power.

Heyitsrick 04-30-2020 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by gadaboutgal (Post 1755862)
"Ventilator shortage during coronavirus crisis forcing doctors to decide who lives or dies"
Ventilator shortage during coronavirus crisis forcing doctors to decide who lives or dies | Fox News

Notwithstanding the title, that article is much more of a "what if" scenario doctors would have to follow with limited supplies.


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