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Dusty74 02-15-2014 08:52 AM
The school at Newtown and the theater in Colorado were both "gun free zones". Criminals and the mentally insane do not abide by the laws. Maybe we should concentrate on them instead of the tool they used. As far as the AR-15 being used, it is the most popular type of rifle sold in the US. 4-Door sedans are also the most popular type of car sold. Maybe we should ban 4-Dr cars since they are more likely to be used by a drunk driver to murder people than other styles of cars. It makes as much sense as banning AR-15 style rifles.

buggyone 02-15-2014 09:15 AM
[QUOTE=Dusty74;829645]The school at Newtown and the theater in Colorado were both "gun free zones". Criminals and the mentally insane do not abide by the laws. Maybe we should concentrate on them instead of the tool they used. As far as the AR-15 being used, it is the most popular type of rifle sold in the US. 4-Door sedans are also the most popular type of car sold. Maybe we should ban 4-Dr cars since they are more likely to be used by a drunk driver to murder people than other styles of cars. It makes as much sense as banning AR-15 style rifles.[/QUOTE]

No, it doesn't. :ohdear:

Duke-SRT 02-15-2014 10:47 AM
The weapons that are sold are legal, If a person modifies them, they are a criminal, just as they would be if they stole the gun. The difference is if, they purchased and modified the weapon there is at least a record of ownership. Bottom line is if you outlaw guns then only outlaws will have guns. I am a gun owner and I sleep better at night knowing I have them. In the back of my mind, I remember what Adolph Hitler said
" to conquer a country you must first disarm its citzens".

buggyone 02-15-2014 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Duke-SRT (Post 829723)
The weapons that are sold are legal, If a person modifies them, they are a criminal, just as they would be if they stole the gun. The difference is if, they purchased and modified the weapon there is at least a record of ownership. Bottom line is if you outlaw guns then only outlaws will have guns. I am a gun owner and I sleep better at night knowing I have them. In the back of my mind, I remember what Adolph Hitler said
" to conquer a country you must first disarm its citzens".
No one is talking about "outlawing" guns.

I would also like to see your source for the Hitler quote. According to Snopes.com, there is no evidence of that quote.

TNLAKEPANDA 02-15-2014 12:45 PM
Gun Control is NOT the Answer
 
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Originally Posted by JP (Post 829196)
A semi automatic shotgun could do the same amount of damage.

The problem is, these people are INSANE.

You've got to figure out a way to keep any kind of gun out of the hands of insane people. Unfortunately, that's tough to do.

JP is right on the money here. It is the insane people who do the killings and GUNS or type of guns is not the issue here. They could get and use any number of items to harm lots of people. All gun control and banning certain types of guns does is harm and restrict the purchase and use by honest responsible people. There are millions and millions of guns out there and the criminals will always be able to get whatever they want or need.

Gun safety and handling should be required in all high schools as far as I am concerned.

Those who oppose guns and the 2nd Amendment will NEVER agree on the gun right issue.

karostay 02-15-2014 03:10 PM
If the powers to concentrated on treating mental health issues instead of passing the buck.Violent crimes would be minuscule.
and post here wouldn't be trivial drama

buggyone 02-15-2014 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by TNLAKEPANDA (Post 829798)
JP is right on the money here. It is the insane people who do the killings and GUNS or type of guns is not the issue here. They could get and use any number of items to harm lots of people. All gun control and banning certain types of guns does is harm and restrict the purchase and use by honest responsible people. There are millions and millions of guns out there and the criminals will always be able to get whatever they want or need.

Gun safety and handling should be required in all high schools as far as I am concerned.

Those who oppose guns and the 2nd Amendment will NEVER agree on the gun right issue.
Why, exactly, do you believe honest and responsible people NEED an AR15 and the high capacity magazine? A shotgun for hunting or a pistol for the feeling of protection at home but a rifle that can empty a 60 round magazine in 5 seconds?

buggyone 02-15-2014 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by karostay (Post 829881)
If the powers to concentrated on treating mental health issues instead of passing the buck.Violent crimes would be minuscule.
and post here wouldn't be trivial drama
Interesting approach. What, precisely, do you propose as a solution?

Steve9930 02-15-2014 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by buggyone (Post 829885)
Why, exactly, do you believe honest and responsible people NEED an AR15 and the high capacity magazine? A shotgun for hunting or a pistol for the feeling of protection at home but a rifle that can empty a 60 round magazine in 5 seconds?
Why do you think they should not? The weapon of choice is not the problem. There is lots of evidence that when you pass a law to ban something it does not work. We have had a ban on drugs for years, how has that worked out? We have laws against drunk driving, driving without insurance, How has that worked out? To focus on the device is not focusing on the problem. I don't particularly want a high capacity magazine, or an AR style weapon, but I will not pass a law that forbids my neighbor from buying one. None of these incidents were committed by sane people. If they did not use this type of weapon they would have chosen another. There have already been instances were a shot gun was used. Now should we ban shot guns? Violence in our society, lack of respect for authority, no discipline in the schools or at home, poverty, mental illness, these are the problems to set our focus on.

rubicon 02-15-2014 03:39 PM
Why do we waste our time with this topic. You are either for or against.

The crux of the problem is not what is in the hands of a perpetrator but rather what is in his/her head. As a nation we are doing a deplorable job of caring for people with mental health issues. Progressive view this situation as they do some many others focused on people's rights depriving family members etc from seeking such assistance .

We need to focus on treatment measures for people with mental health issues. we need to involve and invite their family members toward sensible policies that work Family members are treated as the enemy of a mentally disable person rather than their main sources of support.

WHY DON'T PEOPLE GET THAT AND STOP THIS GUN PROHIBITIOPN ISSUE

GEEEZZZZZ

rp001 02-15-2014 03:42 PM
Would on of the pro gun folks please tell me why they are against background checks. Is it because of registration or some other form of government record keeping? That's just plain crazy to me and yes I do support the second amendment and have extensive military tng and experience with all types of firearms from a military 45 to a 3.5 in rocket launcher.

Steve9930 02-15-2014 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by rp001 (Post 829902)
Would on of the pro gun folks please tell me why they are against background checks. Is it because of registration or some other form of government record keeping? That's just plain crazy to me and yes I do support the second amendment and have extensive military tng and experience with all types of firearms from a military 45 to a 3.5 in rocket launcher.
There are already background checks to buy weapons. I'm not sure what the issues were last time. It usually involves some sort of addition legislation that is put into a sensible bill that kills it. There is little coordination between states however and the Federal Government. There is a system in place currently but like most Federally run programs it is very poorly run.

2AFRetSNCOs 02-15-2014 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by rp001 (Post 829902)
Would on of the pro gun folks please tell me why they are against background checks. Is it because of registration or some other form of government record keeping? That's just plain crazy to me and yes I do support the second amendment and have extensive military tng and experience with all types of firearms from a military 45 to a 3.5 in rocket launcher.
I'm not against background checks, I lived in a state where they were required before the purchase of any gun and it was quick and inexpensive, but it was the gun store (a business) calling the state police to initiate the check. When someone can tell me how I, as an individual, can have a background check performed on an individual prior to a private sale I'm willing to listen. A mandatory background check before all sales would prevent and/or hinder private sales, and in some locales even passing a gun on to your children won't be possible without the check.

NoMoSno 02-15-2014 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by 2AFRetSNCOs (Post 829921)
I'm not against background checks, I lived in a state where they were required before the purchase of any gun and it was quick and inexpensive, but it was the gun store (a business) calling the state police to initiate the check. When someone can tell me how I, as an individual, can have a background check performed on an individual prior to a private sale I'm willing to listen. A mandatory background check before all sales would prevent and/or hinder private sales, and in some locales even passing a gun on to your children won't be possible without the check.
Just make the sale through your local FFL...$25

MikeV 02-15-2014 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by buggyone (Post 829191)
Simple design tweaks are allowing gun makers to get around restrictions New York put in place following the 2012 school shootings in Connecticut, prompting some critics to say the laws were mere window dressing.

New York lawmakers passed the SAFE Act last year, and announced with fanfare that it effectively banned the sale of “assault weapons.” But AR-15s, the most popular type of guns often referred to as assault weapons, are sold in Empire State gun shops, freely and legally. The gun is being marketed by Stag Arms as a "New York-compliant AR-15," and features a slightly modified stock and no bells and whistles. The gun does not have a pistol grip, for instance - one of the features banned by the act.

The AR-15 can be converted to full automatic in less than 30 minutes and there are even instruction videos on the internet to show step-by-step how to do it.

Ridiculous to allow such a weapon to be manufactured - much less sold - and is going to contribute to more mass killings such as Newtown.
Funny I have never heard of any mass attacker using a modified AR-15 fully automatic. Aside from the legal issues, it requires machining the receiver to accept an auto sear (a BIG job), replacing the entire trigger mechanism, installing a full-auto bolt carrier, and perhaps a few other small tasks. More knowledgable people than me have stated that is is esier to build a machinegun from scratch than to convert a semi-auto.

An AR-15 is nothing more than a semi-automatic rifle that LOOKS ominous.


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