[eweissenbach]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

The guy could have been going to the truck for a tire iron to beat up or a gun to shoot the man he had brutally shoved to the ground. The dead man had a history of criminal violence as shown on his rap sheet.

Yeah the guy could have been doing a lot of things. He, in reality was backing away. The guy with the gun held all the cards and used the one that snuffed out a life. Ridiculous argument.

[dotti105]

Thank goodness this case has been reviewed and charges have been brought against the gunman.
Simply viewing the video it was obvious that this was no “stand your ground” case.
The death of this young father was murder. Pure and simple. I’m so thankful that this has been reviewed and charges brought.
The “stand your ground” law is a mistake. It has emboldened men to commit murder and walk free. We saw that with Travon Martin. Zimmerman was a loose cannon ready to shoot anyone for any reason. And “stand your ground” let him get away with murder.
Hopefully, they will get it right this time.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

If you saw the video, the guy may not have been alive to call the police. I wonder why someone would carry a legal concealed weapon if they cannot legally use it for self defense. Some have said that the shover was backing away. I didn't see it that way. I saw him back away only when he saw the gun.

IMHO, that's all it would take. If I had to pull out my gun to defend myself and the threat backed off at the sight of it, I hope that I wouldn't shoot. Many crimes have been thwarted simply by the sight of a gun.

On the other hand, things happen so quickly that it's hard to say if this was justified or not.

What I don't like is the testimony that this guy has been in and around that store in the past causing trouble by confronting people. I avoid confrontation like the plague because I never want to be in a position where I feel my life is threatened, but it seems like this guy was looking to shoot someone.

It will be interesting to see the result and hear all the facts.

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by eweissenbach

Yeah the guy could have been doing a lot of things. He, in reality was backing away. The guy with the gun held all the cards and used the one that snuffed out a life. Ridiculous argument.

Are you serious? The shooter had been brutally and unexpectedly criminally battered by a man with a history of violent criminal assaults and batteries! If he was in fear of further violent battery or death he was justified in shooting the thug.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

The guy could have been going to the truck for a tire iron to beat up or a gun to shoot the man he had brutally shoved to the ground. The dead man had a history of criminal violence as shown on his rap sheet.

If that was the case, I think that it would be incumbent for the guy on the ground to wait until he saw a tire iron or wait at least until the guy started to move toward him.

I like the stand your ground law, but I don't know if it applies in this case. Once the guy was thrown to the ground and the attacker backed off there was no longer a threat. If a threat returned, then I can see the shooting being justified, but you can't shoot someone who's moving away from you.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

I have to feel sorry for the shooter charged with manslaughter. If he has any money, the defense attorney will take it all. And, even if he gets acquitted, his life will never be the same, and he may be in danger. I hope the prosecutor considered this in the decision to charge him, and that it was not a political decision.

That is why if you carry a gun you should have insurance.

[manaboutown]

If one feels threatened one can defend oneself to the degree necessary. Simple self defense.

The dead man had a rap sheet of violent criminal behavior. He was a thug.

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by dotti105

Thank goodness this case has been reviewed and charges have been brought against the gunman.
Simply viewing the video it was obvious that this was no “stand your ground” case.
The death of this young father was murder. Pure and simple. I’m so thankful that this has been reviewed and charges brought.
The “stand your ground” law is a mistake. It has emboldened men to commit murder and walk free. We saw that with Travon Martin. Zimmerman was a loose cannon ready to shoot anyone for any reason. And “stand your ground” let him get away with murder.
Hopefully, they will get it right this time.

Trayvon Martin was a thug who attacked Zimmermnan who shot him in self defense.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

Trayvon Martin was a thug who attacked Zimmermnan who shot him in self defense.

Wrong.

Zimmerman has been shown and proved...to be the real "thug."

[billethkid]

The game is easy to call after the fact.......from the grand stand!!

[BobnBev]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

Wrong.

Zimmerman has been shown and proved...to be the real "thug."

Then why is he roaming free with a pistol permit (CCW)?

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by BobnBev

Then why is he roaming free with a pistol permit (CCW)?

Good question.

Here's George Zimmerman's history with the law since Trayvon Martin shooting - NY Daily News

He simply got lucky that the domestic violence charges were dropped.

His constantly going around saying "do you know who I am"...tells me all I need to know about what a scum he is.

Not to mention his other attributed comments towards blacks...makes it clear that he's a racist.

And someone paying $250,000 for the gun that killed Martin...is just plain sick.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

Wrong.

Zimmerman has been shown and proved...to be the real "thug."

I think that in that case, they were both less than perfect citizens.

Zimmerman at least had a reason to be following Martin. But Martin had no business in physically attacking Zimmerman.

Zimmerman's actions and words following his acquittal are of concern to me. But he had every right to defend himself while his head was being smashed against the ground.

[rjn5656]

I don't agree that the shooter was justified, but it is hard to say if you were the recipient of the shover. Who knows what he might have done next? Fear might have triggered the shooters response. I was not in his shoes and won't be the judge.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

It will be interesting to see what facts and arguments come out during the trial which may be warranted or which may rather be a politically motivated decision by the powers that be. After all, the sheriff released the shooter; the dead man is the one with a rap sheet. In any event, the taxpayers will be forking over many dollars before the trial is over and for the appeal if the defendant is found guilty. Stay tuned!

The sheriff did release him on the available evidence at the time but has since been quoted as saying that he agrees with the decision to prosecute.

This is why we have courts. They determine if the law was obeyed. if you shoot someone you really have to expect there to be an investigation and that you are likely to be charged with a crime unless the evidence is overwhelmingly in your favor.

The laws are not very clear in many instances when it comes to using a firearm. For instance, you have the right to shoot someone who enters your home uninvited, no questions asked. But does that mean if the person who enters your home looks confused and doesn't appear to pose a threat you have a right to shoot them? Does the law apply if you shoot a three-year-old who accidentally goes into the wrong house? How much of the person has to be inside your home. If they put a foot over the threshold can they be shot? Is your garage or lanai considered part of your home?

These questions will only get answered if cases are brought to trial.