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mickey100 05-15-2023 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2217922)
Nobody will be denied "critical medical care", there are laws against that

Nor is this law "targeting gay people"---If anything it targets women seeking an abortion.

And unless you subscribe to the theory that "corporations are people too", an insurance company is unlike to have "moral guidelines" unless it is a specific religious group's insurance offered to members of that religion, in which case I doubt those that you consider "targeted" would be enrolled in that type of insurance.

That is just not true. We already have laws on the books regarding abortion and contraception. This law is specifically aimed at the LGBTQ community, but can have repercussions in other sectors as well. Remember the other law - "Don't Say Gay"? You surely don't think this isn't an extension of that? And don't get me going on insurance companies. They have a history of denying payment and rejecting services. They don't have a conscience, but I can see them claiming to have one if it will benefit them financially. The bottom line is, medical standards should guide medical treatment. Period.

golfing eagles 05-15-2023 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mickey100 (Post 2217948)
That is just not true. We already have laws on the books regarding abortion and contraception. This law is specifically aimed at the LGBTQ community, but can have repercussions in other sectors as well. Remember the other law - "Don't Say Gay"? You surely don't think this isn't an extension of that? And don't get me going on insurance companies. They have a history of denying payment and rejecting services. They don't have a conscience, but I can see them claiming to have one if it will benefit them financially. The bottom line is, medical standards should guide medical treatment. Period.

OK, I take a stab at setting you straight, but I'm afraid I may be writing to a brick wall.

Please show me the text of the bill that is specifically aimed at the LGBTQ community.

For that matter, show me anything in the Parental Rights in Education bill that specifically single out gays. The law prohibits discussions of sex and gender of all types, including heterosexuals, in grades K-3. It was only the gay community that labelled it the "Don't say Gay" bill. Paranoid much??????

Then, just because there are other laws about abortion and contraception DOES NOT make the provisos of this bill aimed at the LGBTQ by default. Again, paranoid much???

Lastly, does anyone think that an insurance company is going to go through the sexual preferences of it's enrollees to deny claims specifically to a certain group???? Heck, corporations are doing the opposite---making their managerial staff sign papers that they support DIE and will practice it in hiring and promoting.

So, there are the FACTS. Any chance of changing someone's mind????? Doubt it, those who agree with the post I'm responding to already have had their talking points handed to them.

Lindsyburnsy 05-15-2023 12:11 PM

Only sounds good to those who are not affected. As soon as someone's friend or loved one is denied care because of someone else's beliefs, things being denied won't seem like such a good idea. People need to think past the end of their noses.

Lindsyburnsy 05-15-2023 12:13 PM

People don't like their rights taken away or curtailed either! Florida is far from free and closer to authoritarianism than one might want to admit.

Worldseries27 05-15-2023 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jmintzer (Post 2217895)
oh, now you want to play that game?

I remember someone saying, "we have to pass this bill so we can see what's in it..."


hmmm... Who could that have been?

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my point exactly

Merrillyn 05-15-2023 02:05 PM

I hope someone sees the hate spewing out of you and refuses to work on you because you offend their way of thinking. Karma baby!

mickey100 05-15-2023 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2217955)
OK, I take a stab at setting you straight, but I'm afraid I may be writing to a brick wall.

Please show me the text of the bill that is specifically aimed at the LGBTQ community.

For that matter, show me anything in the Parental Rights in Education bill that specifically single out gays. The law prohibits discussions of sex and gender of all types, including heterosexuals, in grades K-3. It was only the gay community that labelled it the "Don't say Gay" bill. Paranoid much??????

Then, just because there are other laws about abortion and contraception DOES NOT make the provisos of this bill aimed at the LGBTQ by default. Again, paranoid much???

Lastly, does anyone think that an insurance company is going to go through the sexual preferences of it's enrollees to deny claims specifically to a certain group???? Heck, corporations are doing the opposite---making their managerial staff sign papers that they support DIE and will practice it in hiring and promoting.

So, there are the FACTS. Any chance of changing someone's mind????? Doubt it, those who agree with the post I'm responding to already have had their talking points handed to them.

Oh brother. Naive much?

golfing eagles 05-15-2023 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mickey100 (Post 2217994)
Oh brother. Naive much?

Yes, frequently.

I'm naive enough to believe that someone, when confronted with the facts, would abandon their partisan talking points and see the reality of the situation. But, alas, the truly indoctrinated will never see things the way they are. I pity them.

OrangeBlossomBaby 05-15-2023 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2217870)
Absolutely! 6 weeks is a ridiculous time frame. We both know that many women aren't aware they are even pregnant at that point. In addition, it's too early to perform amniocentesis or CVS to determine fetal viability. 16 weeks would be much more reasonable.

The government needs to get their claws out of a woman's womb, period. It's none of their business. You know as well (or better) than most, that no woman who is 25, 26, 27 weeks pregnant, is going to say "Hey doc - I changed my mind. Make me not pregnant, please and thank you."

It just flat out doesn't happen that way. A woman whose child is aborted during the third trimester has some kind of medical situation going on where either the child will be born dead/have no chance to thrive, or the mother is at high risk of death or in the process of dying already.

mickey100 05-15-2023 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2218001)
Yes, frequently.

I'm naive enough to believe that someone, when confronted with the facts, would abandon their partisan talking points and see the reality of the situation. But, alas, the truly indoctrinated will never see things the way they are. I pity them.

Well I'd like to see people get their heads out of the sand and face reality instead of believing all the drivel they watch on conservative news channels. There is a teacher now under investigation for indoctrination for showing a Disney movie to her class that had a gay character in it. The school administration said that even though it just involves minor parts of the story, it involves a male character having and expressing feelings for another male character, therefore in the future, the movie will not be shown. The movie was tied to a lesson plan on the environment. Interestingly, the one parent who complained, was on the school board, and proclaimed that she is a Christian and that “God appointed her to the Board”. So you really think its not about gays? Seriously? Get with the program.

allsport 05-15-2023 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by fishon (Post 2217457)
I’m not horrified. Sounds good to me.

We will tag you when you need an ambulance and make sure they leave you.

cjrjck 05-15-2023 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by mickey100 (Post 2217451)
A bill was was recently signed into law by the governor of Florida which states healthcare professionals, including insurance companies, can't be forced to violate their religious and moral/conscience convictions in order to treat a patient. Florida healthcare can now be denied based on moral, ethical, or religious beliefs.Its not just doctors, its ambulance drivers, hospitals, nurses, insurance companies, etc. So a pharmacist could refuse to fill a prescription for birth control. A doctor or nurse could refuse to help deliver the baby of a single woman, due to her lifestyle choice. An ambulance driver could refuse to pick up a gay person with Aids. The law is extremely discriminatory against LGBTQ people. A gay person in a nursing home could find themselves at risk of losing health care services, for example. I find this absolutely horrifying that it is now legal in Florida for doctors and other health care professionals to deny health care to anyone simply because they feel like it. We should be increasing access to medical care, not giving these companies and providers the right to discriminate and opt out.

You are clearly very passionate about this issue. I respect that. I think your outrage may be misdirected. The state legislature made up of those persons representing the people of Florida passed this bill believing that that is what the people they represent wanted. I do not know where you live, but if you live anywhere near The Villages, chances are the persons representing you in the Florida House and Senate supported this bill. Perhaps you should direct your concerns to them also. Or you can just continue to vent here. As you seem to do quite often. Your call.

Andyb 05-15-2023 03:53 PM

You have misinterpreted the bill.

dfortier 05-15-2023 04:01 PM

What if a gay ambulance driver refused service to a straight person! What say you?

JMintzer 05-15-2023 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by dfortier (Post 2218020)
What if a gay ambulance driver refused service to a straight person! What say you?

Who are all of these people checking people's sexual orientation before rendering emergency care?

Is it in some database? On their driver's license? Do they wear a Sexual Preference ID Bracelet like diabetics and people with allergies do? :loco:

Steve315 05-15-2023 08:27 PM

Healthcare at risk
 
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Originally Posted by fishon (Post 2217457)
I’m not horrified. Sounds good to me.

Must be you’re not on the list. What happens when that changes?

JMintzer 05-15-2023 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve315 (Post 2218051)
Must be you’re not on the list. What happens when that changes?

Where is this "list" kept?


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