setting aside the non value added discourse of possible negative isolated incidents stories....get back to the reality of the thread.

Keep in mind the following:

If an intruder consciously makes a decision to enter a premisis KNOWING someone may be inside, what do you think they have in mind if there is an encounter?????? They are obviously stupid (considered brave by some) or they are ready to deal with the encounter....what ever that may mean.

The car key fob is a good idea unless you have one of the newer cars that sounds more like the road runner than a panic! The air horn is a good idea as well. Each however mean to be prepared for the next reaction, if they decide not to flee. Remember they came in knowing you are there!

The best home defense is a 12 gage shot gun. My suggestion is to have the gun loaded without one in the chamber. Then when aroused smartly pick up the weapon, announce you are armed and simoltaneously rack the shotgun sliding a shell into the chamber. If after hearing you and or after hearing the racking of a shotgun, they have chosen not to flee....when they enter the room pull the trigger!!

Sounds harsh, cruel, inhumane, violent, et al.....most intruders will definitely flee, however......ANY intruder who procedes when hearing the VERY WELL KNOWN SOUND of a shotgun racking has no good intentions for your well being.

Home defense is not for anybody not prepared or trained to respond.

"The best home defense is a 12 gage shot gun. My suggestion is to have the gun loaded without one in the chamber. Then when aroused smartly pick up the weapon, announce you are armed and simoltaneously rack the shotgun sliding a shell into the chamber. If after hearing you and or after hearing the racking of a shotgun, they have chosen not to flee....when they enter the room pull the trigger!!"

So, this loaded 12 gauge shotgun is under your bed or standing in the corner of your bedroom? Hopefully, if there are grandkids who come to visit, the shotgun will be disassembled.

You are not home and a burglar enters the house. He takes your loaded shotgun.

You wake up from a deep sleep, hearing a sound, still a little cobwebbed, rack the shotgun, and accidently shoot a family member.

All very possible situations. You could be in the right all the way and still have tragic results. Who knows?

:a20:And your gas tank on your car could start leaking and when the furnace kicks on it could ignite the gas and burn your house down.
Or you could have a short in the electrical system that causes a surge and the next person to turn on the light draws all the voltage.
Or you could be a passenger on an airplane that makes an unscheduled STOP.

All very possible situations...... tragic results.

Maybe it is just me, but I would not be "roflmao" at the possibility of a grandchild finding a loaded shotgun under the bed or the possibility of accidently shooting a family member.

'Nuffsaid on this topic. Next, please.

The point being ignored is the anecdotes presented to make a point are about as likely to happen as counter examples presented.

I agree the merry go round is gaining speed...I am off it as well!

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12 gauge 00 buck they will leave faster then when they came in ,and they can pick them up outside.:crap2:

With all the gun enthusiasts living in The Villages, and with over 12 home evasions and at least three golf carts stolen, how come no one has gotten a good clean shot at one of these perpetrators?

A legion of guardian angels?

Possibly the gun owners are a little bit more cautious re safety/security. I keep a couple loaded guns in our home. I carry when I'm out alone. However, I am also the first to lock up the car and house, draw the blinds and turn a few lights on. When my dog barks at night I'll reach for a pistol and listen out for anything. It certainly is reassuring to know it's there and that I've trained to use it.

I've read a hundred posts on guns, to have, not to have, more trouble then they solve, on, and on, and on. Lots of people claim they will shoot someone that has entered their home. Here is something that will happen if you ever are faced with such a situation. Once you pull that trigger your life will change forever! To quote a Clint Eastwood flick:" When you kill a man you take away all they ever were and all they will ever be" Can you live with that fact the rest of your life? If you cannot live with such an act, do not buy a gun. Its far better to take steps to prevent a break in. A firearm is the very last line of defense. And yes I own a firearm and yes I conceal carry. I pray every day I will never have to use it!

You have all given us a lot to think about.

I would like to add:
Keep jewelry in a safe deposit box @ the bank.
Keep your cell phone on your night table.
LOCK your bedroom door at night while you're sleeping
(1 more door to have to get through).

All very good suggestions. Vigilant all times.

Be Cautious
 

Almost got scammed by a well known Home Security system. I think a lot of Contractors who deal with The Villager's think we are either "brain dead or senile". This happens to have been a Dealer for the Company. Once we changed and dealt with a Corporate Rep. it was an totally different experience. :confused:

Excellent post!

I would also wonder somewhat about the depth of a security company's background checks on their employees. These people are looking all around the interior of your house and checking on it's weak spots. If you decide not to go with that company, they still have all the information about your house.

Remember that the golf cart thief/burglar worked for a company that went into homes, too!

VERY good things to think about.


That serial killer in the Midwest with three letters? BTK? I can't think of his name, worked for a security company. I know that is a reach, but still.


http://www.bing.com/search?q=btk+kil...b55385295dca7e





Here I am aiding paranoia.

haha funny

Home Invasion/Robbery - suggestion
 

What if the Wasp Spray does not work? Wasp spray can reach approximately 10 to 12 feet. If the element of surprise works, and the intruder is hit in the eyes with the spray, the intruder would have to be treated in a medical facility to terminate the effects of the wasp spray. This information comes from an article that was published in the newspaper that I used for a weekly Security presentation.

Wasp Spray is known to be a good cheap alternative to pepper spray but a Glock is much more effective if they are that close to you! Most will turn and run if they are looking at the barrel of a gun so you don't have to shot if you don't want to.

Wonder why police officers don't use wasp spray? :shocked:

If you happen to be in the house if/when an intruder enters, go to a bedroom unless you are already in it and put yourself with as much of the bed between you and the door as possible......and I might add you don't have to aim much with a shotgun. A tactical type 18 inch shot gun with 5 shells = significant deterence. Keep it loaded without one in the chamber thus having to rack the slide to put one in the chamber. It is a well known fact that sound alone will cause most intruders to flee.

And for those who always bring it up...of course we do not have children in our house and of course we know what to do with a loaded gun of any sort if there are visitors in the house and so on.

Ah yes, the infamous tactical shotgun under the bed. Once again, the burglars do not seem to be coming in the homes that are occupied. The burglar enters when you are gone, finds the infamous tactical shotgun and now HE has it and YOU do not! Good move - we now have an armed burglar. :ohdear:

makes a good story for somebody I suppose and not unexpected! I hate to ruin the story but that just is not at all how it is done.

"burglars do not seem to be coming in the homes that are occupied."
to that point:
28 percent of burglaries involve people at home: good doors-windows prevent violent crime

And yes the number in TV is significantly smaller.

After reading some of these posts... I fear for the helpful neighbor that might show to help due to the panic alarm.


:22yikes:

Yes, very significantly smaller. I believe there was 1 reported burglary at 3am when a home was supposedly robbed when the owners were home. All the rest of the burglaries were during times when no one was home. Hence, the greater possibility of your loaded tactical shotgun being stolen. :boom:

'Nuff said:ohdear:

Also not unexpected and also even more wrong and untrue than the first anecdote.

Making fun of something one does not understand does not make a point, hence must provide comfort or rationalization!

I know from experience this won't be the last word, but it is mine!

One of these might do the trick! http://www.sleepsafe.com

Although some appear light enough for a burglar to walk out with and take home I have seen some very good looking and much heavier bedside nightstands holding handy pistol safes at guns shows.

So many on this post suggest the solution is a loaded weapon next to their bed to use against an intruder. So many I'm sure have one. For a certified, properly trained individual, this may be indeed true. We are talking about a retirement community with single seniors, senior couples trying to live the rest of their lives in happiness and peace. Do we really want these seniors arming themselves and trying to use deadly force against an intruder? Do we really want to live with a loaded weapon next to our bed to feel safe? Do we want the intruders stealing and using these weapons? The Villages is a very affluent retirement community, and not exactly the cheapest place to live. Would it not make sense to possibly have the Districts or the developer hire some trained, possibly retired police officers to patrol assigned area, if for no other reason, to show a presence in the community? This may be all that is needed to put an end to the crimes before they balloon out of control. I've heard many suggest alarm systems and cameras. This may give you a sense of security, but from my own experience, if you are targeted and the criminal wants to break into your home, they will, and the alarm system will not do what it was intended to do. They will break in, grab, and run before authorities arrive. Criminals are great at disguise, and do not fear cameras. Hopefully these events are short lived, and all Villagers will be able to live their retirement years secure and peacefully.

Somebody just sent me a link showing how thieves can break into a garage in 6 seconds and another link on how to keep it from happening. Simple and cheap fix.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDw8DOblGB8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSO_HTBHLFI

However you plan to confront this situation, wheather you are home or not, Make a PLAN, discuss it between yourselves and practice it monthly. If you are familiar with your plan, should something happen, you at least have a plan and can implement it.

Liability.

1. Federal law prohibits the use of any pesticide "in a manner inconsistent with its labeling." You will find that warning on the can.

2. It is poison. Although a person is unlikely to die from being sprayed, there may be state laws that could result in the person spraying the wasp spray to be charged with some level of attempted homicide.

3. Mace, and similar products, are designed, intended and approved for self defense, within the constraints of state and local laws.

One thing I would ask you to keep in mind is that some of have been armed most of their lives for one reason or another. And they do not do any differently now that they are seniors.
Their are very many retired law enforcement individuals in TV. Very many of them carry to this day because they did most of their lives. In addition some of the law enforcement folks may have some individuals from their past they hope they never meet....hence they "carry".

So it is not as though some have just made a choice to have a weapon for what ever reason.

Others who elect to have a weapon for home defense or who elect to carry a concealed weapon.....guns draw a negative reaction from the uniformed. Most of the population knows about guns what they see in the movies and television. And in recent years guns just happen to be the choice of producers to incite and portray violence. Why can't the view of guns be just like any other magnified, sensationalizing subject encounter?

It is no different than the thought process of why folks have insurance. You buy it hoping you never have to use it. Those who choose to be prepared whether with a gun or martial arts or what ever else.....should be viewed no differently.

And by no means none of what I present is intended to change anybody's views on guns. Just appreciate and respect the others choices.....which too many will not do just because the subject is "guns".

Say hello to my little friend(s)...Smith & Wesson.

Does anyone know of an incidence of a home break in that has been thwarted because of the homeowner being armed with a gun? I have read of many robberies and home break-in's and wonder how many times a homeowner has been successful in stopping the crime.

This is in no way an indictment of those who choose to defend their homes in this manner. I firmly stand behind your right to do so. Just curious.

Let's bring the previous post closer to us. Instead of a general "incident" anywhere in the country, make it one in The Villages that has been thwarted because of the homeowner being armed with a gun.

Thanks.

Yes, in the Villages is what I meant. Thanks for helping to clarify.

Excellent post ... not much else to say after you've said it so well.