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graciegirl 10-02-2017 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by maureenod (Post 1456442)
We're talking about FULLY AUTOMATIC GUNS ,GRACIE. No one needs one.
No they don't but they are able to get them, somehow. Heroin is illegal too. Underhanded people with no moral compass prey on good people who follow rules.

manaboutown 10-02-2017 02:46 PM
Interesting about his father who at one time was on the FBI's Most Wanted list

Las Vegas shooter's father, 'Bingo Bruce,' lived colorful life of crime and deception | Fox News

Rockyrd 10-02-2017 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1456450)
No they don't but they are able to get them, somehow. Heroin is illegal too. Underhanded people with no moral compass prey on good people who follow rules.
I am not a gun owner. Never owned one in my life. Fired a gun only in the military in basic training.

Listening to this terrible thing unfold, there are a number of videos on YouTube with instruction on how to easily turn an semi automatic into a full blown automatic weapon and to do it legally.

So the laws do NOT prevent automatic weapons, they simply make you add something cheap, and then you have an automatic weapon and its legal.

I do not know the laws, but it appears the NRA is striving for automatic AND silencers and we just removed the impediment for Mentally ill folks from getting guns.

What are the uses for automatic weapons and silencers and allowing mentally ill to buy them ?

Again, I don't know this law well, but I am posting only because this crap about the gun didn't kill, the guy who pulled the trigger did is just crap.

We know there is evil, but we say we just have to deal with it ?

I just had to speak out and will take criticisism or education because I just do not know the law.

I suppose the automatic weapons with silencers will insure not scaring off the next victim, be it a deer, a rabbit or humans.

Bogie Shooter 10-02-2017 03:30 PM
When some one says "my friend was protected by God so he is alright" what does this someone say about those who died? Where was God protecting them? Is this a false narrative?

Chi33 10-02-2017 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Rockyrd (Post 1456463)

What are the uses for automatic weapons and silencers and allowing mentally ill to buy them ?

I suppose the automatic weapons with silencers will insure not scaring off the next victim, be it a deer, a rabbit or humans.
There are no silencers like in the movies (if people don't know), only suppressors that still make a ton of noise and melt on automatic weapons. It would glow.

When I fired an M2 the point was to make a lot of noise. He didn't have an M2, no way. Snipers may use a suppressor with a 50 cal however the single shot is coming from a mile away.

Erika 10-02-2017 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1456430)
Correct me if I am wrong. Are guns legal to own in Chicago? I don't have a gun, but I am glad my neighbors do. If a law were passed to limit ownership of guns, only the good guys would obey the law. THAT is the reality. I think there are two ways to look at things and two ways to vote. What sounds nice and what really happens.
If one were to base legislation on your rationale, we may as well not have any laws as the only ones obeying them would be your so-called "good guys." That is naive and simplistic.

redwitch 10-02-2017 04:20 PM
I'll leave the political discussions for another day. Today, I'll just mourn the death and injuries of so many.

Steve9930 10-02-2017 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1456379)
I was wondering how long it would take for someone to blame guns and the President.

The fact is that this guy used a fully automatic weapon which is pretty much illegal to own in this country. I would guess that he procured it through some kind of illegal means.

Laws don't prevent crimes. Gun control laws do not prevent people from getting guns illegally. No laws would have prevented this. This man broke many laws. If it were a matter of enacting new laws these things would never happen as bad or sick people will continue to break them.

I guess next it will somehow be President Trump's fault.
One thing I will set strait. Fully Automated Weapons are not illegal in the US. They are however very heavenly regulated. They are considered a class 3 weapon. Must be sold by a Class 3 Gun Dealer and require a special Tax Stamp directly from the ATF. They are also extremely expensive. $10K expensive. You will not find what he had in your local gun store. Yiu will be heavily investigated before you will own one. Which brings me to my next point, this proves that regulating weapons does not work. You have to change society which is really sick now.

manaboutown 10-02-2017 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve9930 (Post 1456495)
One thing I will set strait. Fully Automated Weapons are not illegal in the US. They are however very heavenly regulated. They are considered a class 3 weapon. Must be sold by a Class 3 Gun Dealer and require a special Tax Stamp directly from the ATF. They are also extremely expensive. $10K expensive. You will not find what he had in your local gun store. Yiu will be heavily investigated before you will own one. Which brings me to my next point, this proves that regulating weapons does not work. You have to change society which is really sick now.
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Steve9930 10-02-2017 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by coalminer (Post 1456404)
Calm down ,my man. Again deal with reality. Semi auto weapons that can be bought throughtout the country leagally can be easily converted to automatic. Also the gun show loop hole is a glaring example where laws can be effective.
They cannot be converted easily to full automatic.

graciegirl 10-02-2017 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Erika (Post 1456482)
If one were to base legislation on your rationale, we may as well not have any laws as the only ones obeying them would be your so-called "good guys." That is naive and simplistic.
YES it is. And true. I have no guns. No one in our family has guns, but I do believe in the right to own them. I might change my mind if this place is invaded by bad people with guns. Right now only good ones have guns.

Red is right as usual. (And by the way she has a gun) This was a discussion of the hundreds of people in families who must face a future living with the murder of their loved one. There are no words to console them. No words.

Steve9930 10-02-2017 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1456401)
If Sandy Hook where children were slaughtered didn't change the discussion, this won't either. One of the few actual pieces of legislation that has been passed by this congress and signed by this president was to eliminate a rule to keep weapons out the hands of those deemed incompetent, which would not have prevented this event. But it shows our priorities. For further evidence see the election eve rally of Senator to be Roy Moore of Alabama and the bill working its way thru Congress now to deregulate silencers so shooters can fire and not have their gunshots heard. Big need for that.
You can easily make a silencer using a common automotive engine oil filter.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 10-02-2017 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve9930 (Post 1456495)
One thing I will set strait. Fully Automated Weapons are not illegal in the US. They are however very heavenly regulated. They are considered a class 3 weapon. Must be sold by a Class 3 Gun Dealer and require a special Tax Stamp directly from the ATF. They are also extremely expensive. $10K expensive. You will not find what he had in your local gun store. Yiu will be heavily investigated before you will own one. Which brings me to my next point, this proves that regulating weapons does not work. You have to change society which is really sick now.
That's why I used the term "pretty much" illegal. As you point out, they are extremely difficult and expensive to obtain.

However, the latest news is that he had an AR-15 or several AR-15s that had been converted from semi to fully auto. That makes a lot more sense.

The only solution to this problem is, as you point out, changing society or changing our culture.

Steve9930 10-02-2017 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1456421)
When the next mass death in Europe or here perpetrated by a Muslim happens, will you and others not be correct to mention the underlying factors that made that next event happen? That the ready availability of teaching from radicalizing Islamic websites and persons had a role in the event? And if the President and the Congress cry out for solutions to lessen the likelihood of it happening again, should we not have that discussion? But apparently not this time, when it is a clear situation where if the Brady Law had remained in place and enforced or even strengthened this might not have happened.

This is not a time for prayer from me. Too bad God didn't protect everyone there. It is time again, and again, and again to point out the death grip the gun industry has on our politicians and the resulting deaths that come from poor policy. And today in American another 90 people will die from gunshots. And tomorrow, and the next day. Yes the blame goes to the shooter, but that does not mean there are no changes that can be made to prevent the next man. Fortunately we didn't just say the drunk driver is the cause of his road carnage. We changed the law to make it harder for the next driver to commit the same crime.

Las Vegas gun show 2016
And drunk drivers still commit the crime. Sometimes several times. The Brady Law did nothing to curb gun violence. Gun violence is a sickness of our current society. The gentleman is right lets quit arguing about Gun Laws that do not work and lets sit and comfort our fellow citizens.

Steve9930 10-02-2017 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by xNYer (Post 1456413)
The fact is that this guy used a fully automatic weapon which is pretty much illegal to own in this country. I would guess that he procured it through some kind of illegal means.



Nevada is an open-carry state, and automatic weapons are legal there.
The state of Nevada cannot dictate Automatic Weapon Ownership. Its a class 3 weapon highly regulated by the ATF.


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