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Steve9930 10-03-2017 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by rivaridger1 (Post 1456724)
There is " evil " in this world with no scientific evidence of its existence. This individual's mind was warped in some fashion and he was somehow motivated by something to do this most heinous act. It is likely we will never know exactly why. According to the " news " this morning he had ten suitcases in his room and a legal semi-automatic weapon ( an AK-47 ) which had been modified to be fully automatic. Presumably the long guns were broken down and brought into the room in those suitcases. It is obvious, with the brilliance associated with 20-20 hindsight, a security device at the hotels entrance through which all luggage is passed, would have detected these rifles without violating anyone's constitutional rights. Visit most of the corporate skyscrapers in New York and other major cities, and just about any Federal/State government facilities, and you will see them being used. They are also used at many public, venues and at all NFL and MLB stadiums. Should there be mandatory security at any building to which the public has access taller then ??? stories ( make it any number you want to ) ? It would be something fairly easy to enforce with building codes and while expensive, quite affordable in the scheme of things by the owners of these buildings. Even better, no ones constitutional rights are violated. Let's concentrate on the things we can do as a society to prevent a repeat of this event and also think outside the box and try to be smarter then the next " evil " person who decides to commit something similar to what this loon accomplished. Yes, it involves the expenditure of money and probably a lot of it. My thinking is that it is worth every dollar if one life is saved in the future.
Where did the AK info come from? The reason I asked is as I heard the tape the first thought that came to my mind was, "That sounded like an AK on full auto". It a sound once heard you do not forget.

Wiotte 10-03-2017 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1456731)
We all should be trying to think of ways to stop the next monster from doing his or her evil deeds. This man looked just like some very successful retiree but whoever could do something like this must have shown some signs of being capable of such evil actions as this. One thing. Do not hold concerts where there is an elevated perch of some kind available for some nut with military style weapons.


Genetics may have played a part in his actions. His father was on the FBI most wanted list. Personality is not always shaped by upbringing, dna plays into it as well. The criminal mind can manifest itself in many different ways.


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Taltarzac725 10-03-2017 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Wiotte (Post 1456735)
Genetics may have played a part in his actions. His father was on the FBI most wanted list. Personality is not always shaped by upbringing, dna plays into it as well. The criminal mind can manifest itself in many different ways.


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Yes. I recall that. That is a dark road to go down though. That genetics dictates future behavior.

I went though many of my clients files while a student lawyer at the U of MN Law School if I had their permission to do so. I was wondering what had put them in Minnesota Correctional Facility-- Stillwater. Some of them looked like basically just bad people others seemed to have made a bad choice at some point.

I had a lot of talks like this with a man whom I worked under who ran concession stands in and around Reno and Carson City. He became the Warden of the Lovelock Correctional Facility where OJ Simpson just left. He retired a while ago though. Probably before or slightly after OJ Simpson got there. Simpson looks like someone with little impulse control. Snaps when he is not in control of things he wants to dictate.

Looking out for one another seems to be the best answer while informed with the best information available.

My former employer who became the Warden I remember did like to research various issues of crime and punishment.

graciegirl 10-03-2017 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Wiotte (Post 1456735)
Genetics may have played a part in his actions. His father was on the FBI most wanted list. Personality is not always shaped by upbringing, dna plays into it as well. The criminal mind can manifest itself in many different ways.


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I have been thinking that might be a possibility, too. I wonder too, if the father who escaped prison for eight years and was on the FBI most wanted list for that time was with his children when he was hiding from the law..........

Madelaine Amee 10-03-2017 11:09 AM
Ticker Tape along the bottom of the picture on CNN at noon today said the shooter was gambling UPWARDS of $30,000 per DAY. I don't care how many millions he supposedly had, it does not take long to get through millions if you are blowing away $30,000 a day! Although, there was no mention of whether he was losing or winning.

Also, he had sued one of the Casinos for an accident he had, shown on film, outside one of the stores. He lost the case and still owed a considerable amount of money for his legal bills and the Casino were awarded costs. I believe the number mentioned was hundreds of thousands, that could be wrong, the tape moves very quickly.

To my simple mind, this would seem like the beginnings of a reason for his state of mind - he may have reached bottom and was not going alone.

manaboutown 10-03-2017 11:27 AM
I am wondering about many facets here: his genetics, his upbringing, his Malasian-Australian girlfriend, how he acquired and modified so many weapons, how he got them into his hotel room(s?) and kept them there several days, his feelings about his father (Bingo Bruce, Chromedome, Old Baldy) and whether he wanted to become more infamous than his old man. I find it hard to believe he was a regular big winner at gambling as well. He may have been facing financial ruin.

graciegirl 10-03-2017 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 1456785)
I am wondering about many facets here: his genetics, his upbringing, his Malasian-Australian girlfriend, how he acquired and modified so many weapons, how he got them into his hotel room(s?) and kept them there several days, his feelings about his father (Bingo Bruce, Chromedome, Old Baldy) and whether he wanted to become more infamous than his old man. I find it hard to believe he was a regular big winner at gambling as well. He may have been facing financial ruin.
I don't know if it makes a difference but I saw Marilou Danley's Facebook page before it was removed. She is one of four sisters and her mother was still alive in several pictures and they appeared to share a close family relationship and spoke to each other in Tagalog which I believe to be is a language used in The Phillipines. She showed pictures of her little grandchild and they all seemed very nice and ordinary.

Not useful information at all, but I wondered if she might have ended the relationship. She is 62 and looked very youthful. None of this is relevant. Just musings.

Henryk 10-03-2017 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve9930 (Post 1456495)
One thing I will set strait. Fully Automated Weapons are not illegal in the US. They are however very heavenly regulated. ...
"Heavenly" regulated. There's a whopper if I ever heard one.

Steve9930 10-03-2017 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Henryk (Post 1456840)
"Heavenly" regulated. There's a whopper if I ever heard one.
Old age slip, what can I say.

big guy 10-03-2017 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1456379)
I was wondering how long it would take for someone to blame guns and the President.

The fact is that this guy used a fully automatic weapon which is pretty much illegal to own in this country. I would guess that he procured it through some kind of illegal means.

Laws don't prevent crimes. Gun control laws do not prevent people from getting guns illegally. No laws would have prevented this. This man broke many laws. If it were a matter of enacting new laws these things would never happen as bad or sick people will continue to break them.

I guess next it will somehow be President Trump's fault.
If we can't blame guns should we blame knives? Your is statement is ludicrous.

rivaridger1 10-03-2017 06:47 PM
Tonight on the " news " I learned two things. One or two of his guns were modified with a " bump stock " which allows a semi-automatic rifle to sound like and simulate an automatic rifle. These devices are completely legal and inexpensive in the scheme of things. The debate on whether they should be belongs elsewhere. Someone also said this individual was a " Narcissist " which sort of fits with what we know about him to date. While a layman, when it come to psychology, this means to me that he has never given one thought through his entire life to anyone but himself. While pure speculation, his motivation could have been as simple as to go down in history as a mass murderer.

big guy 10-03-2017 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by coalminer (Post 1456404)
Calm down ,my man. Again deal with reality. Semi auto weapons that can be bought throughtout the country leagally can be easily converted to automatic. Also the gun show loop hole is a glaring example where laws can be effective.
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big guy 10-03-2017 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by gummybear223 (Post 1456412)
I am a retired Las Vegas police officer. I have a friend and former co-worker that was there, working the concert and helped get people to safety. Fortunately, God was protecting him and he was unharmed. I've heard two officers are among the fatalities and at least two more injured, one critically. I can't even process the suffering and grief of everyone involved. Please keep comments of blame for gun control or politics to yourself or your private conversations. The blame for this event lies with the individual and the psychopathy and hate in his heart. Pray for all the victims and their loved ones.
The ease with which to get guns should share part of the blame!!!

big guy 10-03-2017 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1456421)
When the next mass death in Europe or here perpetrated by a Muslim happens, will you and others not be correct to mention the underlying factors that made that next event happen? That the ready availability of teaching from radicalizing Islamic websites and persons had a role in the event? And if the President and the Congress cry out for solutions to lessen the likelihood of it happening again, should we not have that discussion? But apparently not this time, when it is a clear situation where if the Brady Law had remained in place and enforced or even strengthened this might not have happened.

This is not a time for prayer from me. Too bad God didn't protect everyone there. It is time again, and again, and again to point out the death grip the gun industry has on our politicians and the resulting deaths that come from poor policy. And today in American another 90 people will die from gunshots. And tomorrow, and the next day. Yes the blame goes to the shooter, but that does not mean there are no changes that can be made to prevent the next man. Fortunately we didn't just say the drunk driver is the cause of his road carnage. We changed the law to make it harder for the next driver to commit the same crime.

Las Vegas gun show 2016
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big guy 10-03-2017 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 1456423)
Well, they are not legal in Mexico but look at the killings down there.
We don't live in Mexico.


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