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Taltarzac725 10-08-2017 03:10 AM

Stephen Paddock Verbally Abused His Girlfriend.
 
Las Vegas Shooter Was Known To Verbally Abuse His Girlfriend In Public | HuffPost

That seems to fit the profile of a serial killer. Someone who also uses words as weapons in a public setting.

graciegirl 10-08-2017 05:26 AM

Father was a criminal
 
Which made a lot of us wonder if Paddock's tendency toward criminality was inherited. His father left him when he was seven, but that would be enough time for imprinting his values or lack of them. The family seems somewhat un-social by the many descriptions I have read except the youngest Eric and he seemed a bit odd to me in his televised responses.

I found this article below that seems credible and it says that sociopathy is somewhat genetic. The shooter appeared to avoid being friendly with others at all. Sociopaths like Ted Bundy, often are charming, friendly and manipulative. I think killing a lot of people seems to indicate he had NO conscience. What is evil? What is mental illness? What can we learn from this at all?

Read this, just to further ponder this issue.

Understanding Genetics AND this;

The Sociopath Next Door - A detailed review

OhioBuckeye 10-09-2017 08:41 AM

OhioBuckeye
 
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Originally Posted by coalminer (Post 1456339)
Without some kind of gun control , at least to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally disturbed and criminal element, we are going to see more and more of this. It's time to face reality on this subject.

I'm a gun owner & I have lots of guns, some registered, some not but I'm not going to go around & kill anyone. I agree we need some kind of gun control but the problem with that is, it'll be just a start to make it even stricter & before long nobody will have any guns. Guns aren't the problem because I've never had any of my guns walk out of the house & shoot anyone. Our problem is PEOPLE & the sick people that get them. To a criminal or sick person, laws written on paper or made law doesn't mean nothing to a criminal that wants to kill people, they'll get a gun even if they take every single kind of gun away. Then these sick people will have no reason to just walk out into a crowd & start shooting, then who's going to stop them, some hero citizen that'll probably get shot, a cop that will take 20 mins. to get there. It's a very bad situation to decide how to stop it & laws written on paper isn't the answer:posting:

Vectra 10-10-2017 03:04 AM

You can start by banning all semi automatic weapons, nobody needs that type of firepower especially when they can so easily be made fully automatic as in this case.

No matter how many checks are made on a individual, anyone can change or flip in an instance.

Arguments about criminals not obeying the laws hold no water, if a felon knows he will go to prison for just being in possession of such a weapon then they will keep away from them and as time passes the chance of finding one will decrease.

Its a difficult discussion to be had but the status quo isn't working and you have to start somewhere.

Polar Bear 10-10-2017 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Vectra (Post 1459678)
...Arguments about criminals not obeying the laws hold no water, if a felon knows he will go to prison for just being in possession of such a weapon then they will keep away from them...

Dream on.

OhioBuckeye 10-10-2017 07:40 AM

OhioBuckeye
 
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Originally Posted by Vectra (Post 1459678)
You can start by banning all semi automatic weapons, nobody needs that type of firepower especially when they can so easily be made fully automatic as in this case.

No matter how many checks are made on a individual, anyone can change or flip in an instance.

Arguments about criminals not obeying the laws hold no water, if a felon knows he will go to prison for just being in possession of such a weapon then they will keep away from them and as time passes the chance of finding one will decrease.

Its a difficult discussion to be had but the status quo isn't working and you have to start somewhere.

You're right the govt. or anyone could ban semi weapons but the trouble with that is, theirs thousands of them out there, maybe hundreds of thousands. Guns don't get old & quit working. There's your problem. As a gun owner I agree, but where I disagree, is if the govt. bans one weapon, that's just a start to start blaming another one, it just opens doors!

Vectra 10-10-2017 07:51 AM

There are thousands of semi automatic weapons which is why I say ban them, the longer this goes on the more guns are sold.

Again it´s not an argument to say there are too many to ban them or criminals will ignore the laws, of course this is the case but isn't an argument to do nothing which is what is always thrown back at anyone wanting to do something about the terrible waste of lives.

The only reason most people buy a gun is to protect themselves, you can do that with a handgun perfectly well if you feel this way.

Taltarzac725 10-10-2017 08:45 AM

They should approach this like the public health problem that it is. Gun control, training of proper gun use, lawsuits against gun manufacturers, lawsuits against those who make the public less safe from guns in some way, mental health awareness education, support systems in the community, suicide prevention, advertising against guns and that culture, movies about the actual real life effects of gun violence, TV shows against gun violence, survivors/victims of gun violence touring schools at various levels, anti-bullying campaigns at every level of education and in communities, etc. A holistic approach coming at the problem from every angle and permeating US society.

I was a gun owner and had a lot of them but sold most of them to get letters out back when we lived in Northern CA. Took them to a Santa Rosa pawn shop. I still have a few left. I grew up in Reno, Nevada where it was normal to have 10 year olds who knew how to use shotguns, rifles, handguns and the like. Lots of hunters and sportsmen in Nevada.

A "friend" shot me in the left pinky with his BB gun and that really killed any attraction I had for hunting and guns back when I was around 14 or 15. He had been aiming it at my eye at that time but I convinced him to try to shoot between my fingers instead. He missed. I found the love of books right after that but became a lot more isolated from these youth. Nevada can be a weird place to grow up.


By the way, Stephen Paddock looks like he came to Nevada late in life. Stephen Paddock - Wikipedia

graciegirl 10-10-2017 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1459766)
They should approach this like the public health problem that it is. Gun control, training of proper gun use, lawsuits against gun manufacturers, lawsuits against those who make the public less safe from guns in some way, mental health awareness education, support systems in the community, suicide prevention, advertising against guns and that culture, movies about the actual real life effects of gun violence, TV shows against gun violence, survivors/victims of gun violence touring schools at various levels, anti-bullying campaigns at every level of education and in communities, etc. A holistic approach coming at the problem from every angle and permeating US society.

IF people are born with certain degrees of altruism AND others with certain degrees of criminality, then "training" and educating is ****ing in the wind. If the scientific method is used to define and to address this problem than we would need to deal with the reality that guns are in the hands of tens of thousands of people and only the ethical and the rule followers would give up their guns. I think the divide on this issue is between the realists and the dreamers, so to speak. It goes further into the fact that some people use guns to make a living; to rob, to intimidate, to protect their drug business, to threaten those who don't pay them, and others own guns out of some need to protect themselves. It can depend on where you are raised and the threat level of society that you have been exposed to all of your life. I think it goes much further than second amendment rights and is integrated into each person's level of safety and security.

At any rate, guns don't stop working. Once sold and owned they will continue to be deadly weapons forever, and getting them out of the hands of people who will hide them is to me not realistic at all.

I don't own a gun and in my whole life I have not been in a situation where someone threatened me or tried to steal things from me. We grew up in an area that did not have gun violence and tried hard to place our family in a similar area and still live in an area that is overwhelmingly safe. I don't think I have ever even seen a real gun.

However, as society continues to lose large percentages of people who are brought up with rules and respect for others, I would like to keep the option open to be able to buy a gun and learn how to use it.

Taltarzac725 10-10-2017 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1459774)
IF people are born with certain degrees of altruism AND others with certain degrees of criminality, then "training" and educating is ****ing in the wind. If the scientific method is used to define and to address this problem than we would need to deal with the reality that guns are in the hands of tens of thousands of people and only the ethical and the rule followers would give up their guns. I think the divide on this issue is between the realists and the dreamers, so to speak. It goes further into the fact that some people use guns to make a living; to rob, to intimidate, to protect their drug business, to threaten those who don't pay them, and others own guns out of some need to protect themselves. It can depend on where you are raised and the threat level of society that you have been exposed to all of your life. I think it goes much further than second amendment rights and is integrated into each person's level of safety and security.

At any rate, guns don't stop working. Once sold and owned they will continue to be deadly weapons forever, and getting them out of the hands of people who will hide them is to me not realistic at all.

I don't own a gun and in my whole life I have not been in a situation where someone threatened me or tried to steal things from me. We grew up in an area that did not have gun violence and tried hard to place our family in a similar area and still live in an area that is overwhelmingly safe. I don't think I have ever even seen a real gun.

However, as society continues to lose large percentages of people who are brought up with rules and respect for others, I would like to keep the option open to be able to buy a gun and learn how to use it.

The education is aimed at preventing bullies from picking on misfits who often become the mass murderers. There is no way we can practically get rid of guns in the United States but we can put some kind of controls on some kind of guns.

I do not see much need of guns/rifles in the Villages. The cops are well armed and can be reached quickly with 911 and your neighbors probably also have guns of some kind.

I know a woman who has a handgun near her bed on the night stand. She heard a noise at night, picked up her loaded handgun, and shot her vacuum. It had shifted in her closet. This was in the Villages and I expect her friends have never let her forget this. I would check her car for her vacuum count like one of those WWII pilots.

autumnspring 10-10-2017 10:00 AM

We do not know
 
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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1458318)
He was scoping out various cities for an attack. This man looks like he was very deliberative and not mentally ill. Just a very evil person. My friend told me that he hoped this man had a tumor that caused this as my friend could no understand how someone could do this.

With Chicago they have to address the gangs there which are connected to the lucrative drug trade. The guns are used to defend their turfs and further gang violence while many civilians get caught in the cross-fire or are out right targeted if they have some connection with the gang like a relative in one of them.

We've been told several conflicting stories.
Automatic weapons, bump stock. Frankly, I never had heard of a bump stock. We've been told they found ONE bump stock and 32 or so guns. Quick research shows that the weapon must be shot from the hip-very inaccurate.

We've been told it was a long range shot. We've been told
they found sniper type calculations-wind speed, rate of fall. This sort of information would change depending on the caliber and bullet speed-shape of bullet, weight of bullet and amount of powder.

Clearly, there is a lot of missing information that the investigation team likely has some of. Clearly, they are looking for accomplishes.

SURE LOOKS LIKE INSANITY.
For those SCREAMING for more gun laws. First of all murder is a crime. Secondly, not mentioned by many, the Pulse nightclub-it is illegal to bring a gun into anyplace serving liquor. Las Vegas-I expect we will discover that the shooter had automatic weapons-they've BEEN ILLEGAL SINCE THE 1930's. The terms we are FED about assault rifles is simply a deliberate lie. An assault rifle is by definition automatic-they are illegal. What is sold are lok a likes. Sort of like calling the mustang that my friend owned
with a small six cylinder engine and a three speed standard transmission calling that a muscle car is the same.

Vectra 10-10-2017 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by suesiegel (Post 1459802)
For those SCREAMING for more gun laws. First of all murder is a crime. Secondly, not mentioned by many, the Pulse nightclub-it is illegal to bring a gun into anyplace serving liquor. Las Vegas-I expect we will discover that the shooter had automatic weapons-they've BEEN ILLEGAL SINCE THE 1930's. The terms we are FED about assault rifles is simply a deliberate lie. An assault rifle is by definition automatic-they are illegal. What is sold are lok a likes. Sort of like calling the mustang that my friend owned
with a small six cylinder engine and a three speed standard transmission calling that a muscle car is the same.

You’ve totally lost me there I´m afraid

I don’t own a gun and never will and struggle to see why anyone else really needs to.

I bought a house in February in the area and the week before I finalized on the house there was a double murder during a home invasion in weirsdale which made me question whether to go ahead or not?

I’ve just flicked back through the villages news headlines and the following have happened involving guns since, all in a very limited area of maybe 15 miles of the house I bought,

I can remember many more like the poor Barber who was shot at point blank range in mount Dora for not cutting a customers hair because he had no money to pay for it and numerous armed robberies along the 441 Where staff and customers have been held up at gun point and relieved of their belongings and the biker executed at Leesburg Bikefest

Yesterday a man in Eustis shot his partners daughter in the head with a hand gun.

Early September 2 people shot at Lake Panasoffkee and airlifted to Ocala medical center

August 31, 17 year old dies of gunshopt wounds at Leesburg apartment complex

August 22, a car was chased by police and subsequently crashed into 2 vehicles at traffic lights killing the 55 year old driver of one car, found on the back seat of the car that was being chased was a AK47.

August 25, a 25 year old was charged with attempted murder after shooting his gun during an attempted burglary in Stonecrest.

August 14, Man fatally shot in home invasion in Summerfield

July 17 Convicted felon arrested with.38 special.

July 11A suspicious trio with a gun and drugs was arrested early Tuesday morning at Wal-Mart at Buffalo Ridge Plaza

July 10 A 25-year-old Wildwood man was arrested last week after allegedly shooting out the rear window of a car driven by a 17-year-old.

July 6 A 31-year-old Lady Lake man was arrested after he allegedly threatened a woman and her son with a gun in Altoona.

June 28 Marion County Sheriff’s Office Major Crimes detectives arrested Angel Daniel Blanco, 28, after he shot 68-year-old Ronald Lee Rowley.

June 18 A Summerfield man has been identified as the suspect in the shooting of a nurse Saturday at West Marion Community Hospital.

May 25 Leesburg police are looking for a pair of suspects in an armed robbery which occurred Wednesday night at Burger King on U.S. Hwy. 441.

May 22 Leesburg police have identified the victim of a fatal shooting Sunday as the suspect remains on the run.

May 4 A Summerfield man reported that a shotgun was pointed at him Wednesday during a dispute over a vehicle’s loud music.

April 25 A 25-year-old man was arrested on a felony charge of aggravated assault after he allegedly threatened a woman with his 9mm semi-automatic pistol in Wildwood.

April 17 Three armed robbers were caught after crashing their car Sunday in Marion County.Marion County sheriffs responded to the Meador’s Corner Qwik King store at 18236 SE 95th Street Road in Ocklawaha

April 10 An 18-year-old who had been spotted in January lurking near a Villages ATM with a loaded 9mm gun.

March 25 A Lady Lake couple arrested in January after firing guns at a hot water tank in the middle of the night have been ordered by a judge to stay away from alcohol.

February 24 Home invasion The Marion County Sheriff’s Office is investigating shooting that took place Friday morning in Weirsdale, 2 dead.

This is a very small time frame in a very small part of a relatively safe area of the US, makes you wonder what goes on not so nice areas and what could be achieved by having a more sensible approach to gun ownership.

Taltarzac725 10-10-2017 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by suesiegel (Post 1459802)
We've been told several conflicting stories.
Automatic weapons, bump stock. Frankly, I never had heard of a bump stock. We've been told they found ONE bump stock and 32 or so guns. Quick research shows that the weapon must be shot from the hip-very inaccurate.

We've been told it was a long range shot. We've been told
they found sniper type calculations-wind speed, rate of fall. This sort of information would change depending on the caliber and bullet speed-shape of bullet, weight of bullet and amount of powder.

Clearly, there is a lot of missing information that the investigation team likely has some of. Clearly, they are looking for accomplishes.

SURE LOOKS LIKE INSANITY.
For those SCREAMING for more gun laws. First of all murder is a crime. Secondly, not mentioned by many, the Pulse nightclub-it is illegal to bring a gun into anyplace serving liquor. Las Vegas-I expect we will discover that the shooter had automatic weapons-they've BEEN ILLEGAL SINCE THE 1930's. The terms we are FED about assault rifles is simply a deliberate lie. An assault rifle is by definition automatic-they are illegal. What is sold are lok a likes. Sort of like calling the mustang that my friend owned
with a small six cylinder engine and a three speed standard transmission calling that a muscle car is the same.

Bump stock: The device found on Las Vegas shooter's guns - CNN

It looks like 12 of these weapons in Paddock's hotel room had these bump stocks.

And he was shooting into a crowd at random with no specific target in mind. Just the crowd of 22,000. He is not going to need sophisticated targeting information.

Steve9930 10-10-2017 07:42 PM

This guys is getting way too much press here. He does not deserve it.

Carl in Tampa 10-10-2017 10:24 PM

Insights On Political Will
 
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Originally Posted by Vectra (Post 1458275)
I probably see this differently to most people here but believe there is no reason why anyone needs or should have any type of automatic weapon be it semi or otherwise, these can be taken out of circulation by a change in the law and reduce the death toll significantly seen all over the country.

There are no valid arguments about second amendment rights and citizens freedoms that justify the current situation where mass shooting of large groups of people are so easy to perpetrate by any member of the public that might be a perfectly law abiding citizen one day and have a breakdown the next.

The reason I see it differently is because I am not American but English and have lived through the change of gun laws in the UK where just 2 mass killings was enough for the government of the time to act and abolish just about all guns in circulation and have seen no mass shooting since.

I currently live in Spain where similar strict gun laws make gun crime something that you just don’t think about, it happens but in such small numbers it’s not given a thought and personal safety is almost guaranteed with violent crime again minimal even in parts of towns and city’s that may not be the best.

I now own a house near the Villages and love everything about it and enjoy my time spent there and the friends I have made but am more than aware that shootings are happening at least once a month sometimes weekly within a few miles of my home there and consciously go home before the bad guys come out each evening and am slightly on edge in situations that I would never be in Europe.

Someone needs to have the balls to stand up to the NRA and say enough’s enough and that this type of carnage can and needs to be brought to an end for all the thousands of innocent people who have lost their lives so needlessly over the last few years and for all those who will lose their lives in the future if something isn’t done.

Let me give you some political insights. There is no political will in the United States to ban semi-automatic firearms. There are many millions of semi-automatic pistols, rifles, and shotguns in America. Even if your proposed law were passed, most would disappear, to reappear on the black market. They are not going away.

YOU may not be happy with our Second Amendment, but there are hundreds of millions of Americans who are. Free people have the liberty to arm themselves.

You're English? I remember England. It's that country which had disarmed it's citizenry, and when threatened by German invasion during World War II had to have thousands of Americans send their personal firearms to England to arm the Home Guard. The American Committee for the Defense of British Homes - Wikipedia

You live in Spain? And you think that gun control laws in a country of 46.56 million with no Second Amendment, would work in a nation of 323.1 million which has had a Second Amendment since its inception? Well.........no.

You are wise to go home before the bad guys come out. Those of us from a different tradition, with the liberty to go out armed, and confident in our capabilities, don't observe a curfew.

Finally, here is a fact of life in America. There is a term for legislators who "have the balls to stand up to the NRA." They are called "former congressmen."

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