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Carl in Tampa 12-29-2013 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by redwitch (Post 802956)
Um, sorry, Don -- January has 31 days.

Maybe he though New Year's Day was a Holiday and wouldn't count in the moratorium.

:smiley:

BS Beef 12-29-2013 04:45 PM

Count me in!!! But bare in mind I'm one of those just trying to get my post count up so I can be taken seriously :laugh:

That being said I think you have a better chance of kissing your own elbow. But here's to trying :beer3:

Barefoot 12-29-2013 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 802921)
.... I don't want a "fluffy" forum; and I think we should all debate/speak our minds and let the moderator decide who the offenders are. Much as I respect you, Dee, your post asking for the cessation of negative posts actually became a negative post with your examples of what you are thinking but won't say for a month!

I just read all 42 posts on this thread, and I find myself agreeing with CFrance. I think everyone should speak their mind and let the Moderators decide who is offending. I often see posts deleted by the Moderators. I think they are doing a good job. They certainly take all complaints from members seriously.

At the same time, I do believe we members should assume all posts are factual, whether the writer has 1 post or 1000 posts. Unless it's something really trollish, like a 20 year old woman wondering if there are any sugar daddies available in The Villages.

CFrance 12-29-2013 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 803075)
I just read all 42 posts on this thread, and I find myself agreeing with CFrance. I think everyone should speak their mind and let the Moderators decide who is offending. I often see posts deleted by the Moderators. I think they are doing a good job. They certainly take all complaints from members seriously.

At the same time, I do believe we members should assume all posts are factual, whether the writer has 1 post or 1000 posts. Unless it's something really trollish, like a 20 year old woman wondering if there are any sugar daddies available in The Villages.

:a20::a20: (Dang, that was me!)

Carl in Tampa 12-29-2013 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 803075)

At the same time, I do believe we members should assume all posts are factual, whether the writer has 1 post or 1000 posts. Unless it's something really trollish, like a 20 year old woman wondering if there are any sugar daddies available in The Villages.

Uh......... the answer would be "yes."


:$:

duffysmom 12-29-2013 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 802921)
I have to agree with rubicon on this one , Dee. Two reasons: I don't want a "fluffy" forum; and I think we should all debate/speak our minds and let the moderator decide who the offenders are.

Much as I respect you, Dee, your post asking for the cessation of negative posts actually became a negative post with your examples of what you are thinking but won't say for a month!:22yikes:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 803075)
I just read all 42 posts on this thread, and I find myself agreeing with CFrance. I think everyone should speak their mind and let the Moderators decide who is offending. I often see posts deleted by the Moderators. I think they are doing a good job. They certainly take all complaints from members seriously.

At the same time, I do believe we members should assume all posts are factual, whether the writer has 1 post or 1000 posts. Unless it's something really trollish, like a 20 year old woman wondering if there are any sugar daddies available in The Villages.

Sometimes I dislike what people say and how they say it but I respect their right to say how they truly feel. I have the ability to take what I like and leave the rest.

CFrance 12-29-2013 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by duffysmom (Post 803107)
Sometimes I dislike what people say and how they say it but I respect their right to say how they truly feel. I have the ability to take what I like and leave the rest.

I wish they would put Like AND Dislike buttons on the forum. You could express your opinion without saying anything offensive.

swimdawg 12-29-2013 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 803124)
I wish they would put Like AND Dislike buttons on the forum. You could express your opinion without saying anything offensive.

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: LIKE:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

Peachie 12-29-2013 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 802921)
I have to agree with rubicon on this one , Dee. Two reasons: I don't want a "fluffy" forum; and I think we should all debate/speak our minds and let the moderator decide who the offenders are.

Much as I respect you, Dee, your post asking for the cessation of negative posts actually became a negative post with your examples of what you are thinking but won't say for a month!:22yikes:

CFrance and Barefoot, I wholeheartedly agree with the two of you; I think muffling the voices of TOTV will turn this forum into "The Talk of the Milk Toast" forum. Honestly, how many people want to tune in for primarily to read "For Sale" ads and questions about good contractors in The Villages?

It may be reasonable to ask that newer posters receive some slack in the tone in which they are greeted but it's not unreasonable to request they offer more details when announcing major issues. Compromise in tone of discussion and detailed information seems possible.

There have been major discussions on this board, some in which I have participated. I believe many of us involved in different points of view have a lot to learn from each other. There may be small incidences of rancor but, I personally always continue to mentally reload the cases that have been made on this forum and rethink my own position.

I believe the viewpoints shared on this forum are very important to all of us even though they don't always mesh with my own. I don't have any malice toward the people with whom I have disagreed and realize we may not have much in common as close friends. Still I respect their right to voice their opinion and to offer us their validation for their opinion. We are all part of the human fabric in this world.

I'd hate to see this become a forum of little ole people primarily discussing the weather. Good evening to all of you. :censored:

swimdawg 12-29-2013 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Peachie (Post 803147)
CFrance and Barefoot, I wholeheartedly agree with the two of you; I think muffling the voices of TOTV will turn this forum into "The Talk of the Milk Toast" forum. Honestly, how many people want to tune in for primarily to read "For Sale" ads and questions about good contractors in The Villages?

It may be reasonable to ask that newer posters receive some slack in the tone in which they are greeted but it's not unreasonable to request they offer more details when announcing major issues. Compromise in tone of discussion and detailed information seems possible.

There have been major discussions on this board, some in which I have participated. I believe many of us involved in different points of view have a lot to learn from each other. There may be small incidences of rancor but, I personally always continue to reload the cases that have been made on this forum and rethink my own position.

I believe the viewpoints shared on this forum are very important to all of us even though they don't always mesh with my own. I don't have any malice toward the people with whom I have disagreed and realize we may not have much in common as close friends. Still I respect their right to voice their opinion and to offer us their validation for their opinion.

I'd hate to see this become a forum of little ole people primarily discussing the weather. Good evening to all of you. :censored:

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: LIKE:D:D:D

Xavier 12-29-2013 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 802961)
i can't wait for January then at least there won't be a negative comment about the nature of a political forum:angel:

Uh, we haven't all agreed to play yet!

Xavier

swimdawg 12-29-2013 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Xavier (Post 803152)
Uh, we haven't all agreed to play yet!

Xavier

Hmmmm....tough call.
LIKE and DISLIKE

eweissenbach 12-29-2013 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by foodcritic (Post 802999)
Got it. So when someone says I'm considering not moving to TV because the pesticides they spray will cause cancer, the answer should be ?

The answer should be........

"I am positive that you are an idiot, and I mean that in the kindest possible way!"

graciegirl 12-29-2013 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by eweissenbach (Post 803154)
The answer should be........

"I am positive that you are an idiot, and I mean that in the kindest possible way!"



Ed. You are the soul of diplomacy.

angiefox10 12-29-2013 08:48 PM

I'm not under the impression that anyone is saying you can't disagree with anyone. I think, and I could be wrong, the idea is to disagree with someone without calling names. Without stating that if you don't agree with me you are "childish" or "selfish".

Sometimes, if you disagree, can you just not comment? If you do, can you do it in a kind way?

Maybe something isn't to your taste? Do you really feel you have to state it every time?

If someone posts something.. There isn't anything wrong with asking for more information. But can you do it without calling them a liar? "I don't believe you" It's OK if you don't, but do you feel the need to say it every time. Is it always important to prove the other person wrong..... Well sure, the homes were broken into... but they didn't kick the door in on all of them.

I'm not trying to go after anyone in this post. I'm just saying, there isn't it possible to be nice without giving up your point of view?

njbchbum 12-29-2013 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Peachie (Post 803147)
CFrance and Barefoot, I wholeheartedly agree with the two of you; I think muffling the voices of TOTV will turn this forum into "The Talk of the Milk Toast" forum. Honestly, how many people want to tune in for primarily to read "For Sale" ads and questions about good contractors in The Villages?

It may be reasonable to ask that newer posters receive some slack in the tone in which they are greeted but it's not unreasonable to request they offer more details when announcing major issues. Compromise in tone of discussion and detailed information seems possible.

There have been major discussions on this board, some in which I have participated. I believe many of us involved in different points of view have a lot to learn from each other. There may be small incidences of rancor but, I personally always continue to mentally reload the cases that have been made on this forum and rethink my own position.

I believe the viewpoints shared on this forum are very important to all of us even though they don't always mesh with my own. I don't have any malice toward the people with whom I have disagreed and realize we may not have much in common as close friends. Still I respect their right to voice their opinion and to offer us their validation for their opinion. We are all part of the human fabric in this world.

I'd hate to see this become a forum of little ole people primarily discussing the weather. Good evening to all of you. :censored:

I wholeheartedly agree! Furthermore, asking me to refrain from speaking my mind/feelings is like asking me to remove my creche from the lawn at Christmas because it might offend a neighbor. I simply cannot give up some things because another might be offended...even if for a little while.

graciegirl 12-29-2013 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by njbchbum (Post 803158)
I wholeheartedly agree! Furthermore, asking me to refrain from speaking my mind/feelings is like asking me to remove my creche from the lawn at Christmas because it might offend a neighbor. I simply cannot give up some things because another might be offended...even if for a little while.



You are right. Some things just shouldn't be hushed.

lightworker888 12-29-2013 09:18 PM

If we consider the intent behind Redwitch's suggestion, I read it as a desire to somehow stop the apparent "negativity" that is felt by some of our community. That may be a personal perception, but it is nevertheless valid for those who feel this way. The request for more consideration and some thought before typing seems to me to be reasonable for any forum and shouldn't stop anyone from posting.

There are people who are harsher than others when conversing with others and their comments, as all comments do, tell us more about them than about what they are commenting on. It is good practice for us all to be able to hear another''s differing opinion and recognize that that is all it is...an opinion. Everyone has their own view of the world and it is not wrong, just different. No one has to find someone to support their view in order for it to be OK to have the view. The challenge is to not take comments personally. They are just another person's opinion and usually come from people who have no understanding about the other person's history or all the facts about the scenerio.

I'd like to support more kindness and consideration on the board, while encouraging all posters to post what is on their mind pertaining to any thread. As a senior community i would hope that we could all find it within ourselves to be civil with each other. We are all wanting more peace,I think, so maybe we can see it happen on this board, at least for a month!

Off my soapbox and to bed.....Night all

LW888

elizabeth52 12-29-2013 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 803124)
I wish they would put Like AND Dislike buttons on the forum. You could express your opinion without saying anything offensive.

If there were, I would "like" your post!

Carl in Tampa 12-29-2013 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by angiefox10 (Post 803157)
I'm not under the impression that anyone is saying you can't disagree with anyone.

Well, yes, I think that is precisely what red witch was saying.

Quote: "If someone says something you disagree with, you thank them for their opinion and keep your negative thoughts to yourself?"

I don't think she is going to get a consensus on this proposal.

But, who knows? It isn't January yet...........

:icon_wink:

angiefox10 12-29-2013 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Carl in Tampa (Post 803190)
Well, yes, I think that is precisely what red witch was saying.

Quote: "If someone says something you disagree with, you thank them for their opinion and keep your negative thoughts to yourself?"

I don't think she is going to get a consensus on this proposal.

But, who knows? It isn't January yet...........

:icon_wink:

You may be right.... Thank you for your opinion... *smile*

anarick 12-29-2013 09:49 PM

Who are we kidding? People are going to say or write what they want when they want without any regard to how the reader feels. There are those that get their kicks in belittling others and this forum is their hunting ground. All forums are open and their is no filter to prevent the hunters from attacking. If we stop voicing our true opinions the hunters win. We should continue writing and expressing ourselves as we see fit.
H.G. Wells once wrote quote I write as straight as I can, just as I walk as straight as I can, because that is the best way to get there unquote.
Keep stroking

redwitch 12-29-2013 09:50 PM

I think Angie "got" what I meant and I think several others did as well. You can disagree with someone without getting nasty about it. You don't have to call someone a name or be so sarcastic that you may as well have called the person a fool or an idiot. You certainly don't have to call someone a liar (or imply they are) when they say something has happened (at least not until you have personally checked for facts and found the person to in fact be a liar and a troll).

I'm simply asking for a month of being respectful to each other, to not doubt everything said by a newbie, to correct something misspoken nicely, to not whine when something is not perfect, to agree to disagree without namecalling. Basically, just be nice for 31 days. Whether anyone else does it or not, I know I am going to try.

eweissenbach 12-29-2013 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redwitch (Post 803201)
I think Angie "got" what I meant and I think several others did as well. You can disagree with someone without getting nasty about it. You don't have to call someone a name or be so sarcastic that you may as well have called the person a fool or an idiot. You certainly don't have to call someone a liar (or imply they are) when they say something has happened (at least not until you have personally checked for facts and found the person to in fact be a liar and a troll).

I'm simply asking for a month of being respectful to each other, to not doubt everything said by a newbie, to correct something misspoken nicely, to not whine when something is not perfect, to agree to disagree without namecalling. Basically, just be nice for 31 days. Whether anyone else does it or not, I know I am going to try.

I agree Red. Disagreement need not be disagreeable, dissent need not be personal, differences of opinion need not be contentious. We can all use a little work on diplomacy in posting. Maybe thinking about how we frame our replies for a month would lead to better long-term understanding.

CFrance 12-29-2013 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eweissenbach (Post 803154)
The answer should be........

"I am positive that you are an idiot, and I mean that in the kindest possible way!"

Okay, make that three buttons... "Like," "Dislike," and "That Was Hysterical."

njbchbum 12-29-2013 10:07 PM

Bless you, redwitch! Your heart sure is in the right place! But we are a community of opinions and some express themselves with forthrightness and honesty and are quite blunt in doing so...while others here cannot accept forthrightness, honesty and someone being blunt. It will be interesting to see how this social experiment turns out...and how many posts are deleted by the mods and how many complaints are still made to the administrator.

asianthree 12-30-2013 09:29 AM

i think saying what we feel about the post is great, but to bash another poster if more what red is looking for...and there seems to more than usual..but just my thoughts

CarolSells 12-30-2013 09:46 AM

Well, not to hijack the thread but I vote that the moderator not be allowed to delete inappropriate posts and responses until I personally have had a chance to to read, review, and gasp! I hate it when I leave you kids alone for a little while, a cat fight ensues, and all that's left is deleted lines. Sheesh!

George Bieniaszek 12-30-2013 10:11 AM

Truly an excellent post!! Maybe that would be a great New Year's Resolution for those searching for the perfect resolution!!

Who knows, maybe positive thoughts and posts may catch on and continue thru February as well!!!

Abby10 12-30-2013 10:14 AM

Since I was the one who initiated the pesticide concern that FOODCRITIC references in post #36, I feel compelled to weigh in here. Even though I would be considered a "newbie" as far as posting, I have been lurking on this site for so many years that I actually feel I "know" many of you, if that makes any sense. By being allowed to express yourself in a back and forth dialogue on this forum enables us to get to know the personalities of one another. If all we were allowed to do was to respond as "yes" men/women, so to speak, and not be allowed to disagree about something, it would not enable us to get to "know" one another very well. Personally, I would have been very disappointed to have had only agreeable posts on my pesticide question (there probably would have been NO posts - HA!) I really wanted honest feedback both ways, since education and thought provoking conversation was what I desired. And although it could have been a very inflammatory post, I feel that most of the responses were caring and informational, with a few welcomes to come on down and join you all, despite the post. I do understand REDWITCH'S concern in regards to HOW sometimes people express themselves, be it condescending or downright hurtful sometimes, but if there was really someone who ALWAYS rubbed me the wrong way or upset me too much to read their posts, I would just use the delete/hide option so I never see their posts. Personally, it would take a lot for me to do that though as I like differing opinions - IMHO, that's how you learn and grow.

shcisamax 12-30-2013 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Abby10 (Post 803387)
I really wanted honest feedback both ways, since education and thought provoking conversation was what I desired.

We all look for honest feedback. I think what Redwitch is saying is there is no reason for derogatory or hurtful language.

Abby10 12-30-2013 10:27 AM

Totally agree, shcisamax.......derogatory or hurtful language adds absolutely nothing to a good conversation.

CFrance 12-30-2013 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abby10 (Post 803387)
Since I was the one who initiated the pesticide concern that FOODCRITIC references in post #36, I feel compelled to weigh in here. Even though I would be considered a "newbie" as far as posting, I have been lurking on this site for so many years that I actually feel I "know" many of you, if that makes any sense. By being allowed to express yourself in a back and forth dialogue on this forum enables us to get to know the personalities of one another. If all we were allowed to do was to respond as "yes" men/women, so to speak, and not be allowed to disagree about something, it would not enable us to get to "know" one another very well. Personally, I would have been very disappointed to have had only agreeable posts on my pesticide question (there probably would have been NO posts - HA!) I really wanted honest feedback both ways, since education and thought provoking conversation was what I desired. And although it could have been a very inflammatory post, I feel that most of the responses were caring and informational, with a few welcomes to come on down and join you all, despite the post. I do understand REDWITCH'S concern in regards to HOW sometimes people express themselves, be it condescending or downright hurtful sometimes, but if there was really someone who ALWAYS rubbed me the wrong way or upset me too much to read their posts, I would just use the delete/hide option so I never see their posts. Personally, it would take a lot for me to do that though as I like differing opinions - IMHO, that's how you learn and grow.

Good thoughts, Abby10. The moderator will take care of the truly offensive posters, and if some others are a little "edgy," that's what makes it interesting to me. If everyone just passed, rather than express disagreement (even strongly) with a poster, we wouldn't get anywhere, and the forum would become boring.

I appreciate Redwitch's sentiment, but I feel that most of the posters are polite and/or humorous. They're not going to change and become mean. Most of the posters are not going to accuse others of being liars. And as for the negative/sarcastic/mean posters? They're not going to change anyway! Let the Mod have at them.

njbchbum 12-30-2013 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by shcisamax (Post 803393)
We all look for honest feedback.
snipped

That is true, shcisamax - but - what some people post as their 'honest' feelings/opinion...others interpret as harsh, mean, cruel and then file a complaint with the site admin. Is the former a brute; is the latter overly sensitive? Sometimes there is no way to determine if what we post is going to hit someome the wrong way.

Barefoot 12-30-2013 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by CarolSells (Post 803367)
Well, not to hijack the thread but I vote that the moderator not be allowed to delete inappropriate posts and responses until I personally have had a chance to to read, review, and gasp! I hate it when I leave you kids alone for a little while, a cat fight ensues, and all that's left is deleted lines. Sheesh!

When I leave for a while and come back to see ten deleted posts, it always makes me wonder what has been going on, and who's been sent to the principal's office.

swimdawg 12-30-2013 11:10 AM

SPOTD Award Eligibility
 
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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 803213)
Okay, make that three buttons... "Like," "Dislike," and "That Was Hysterical."

"TWH" button is when I chime in with the Swimdawg Post of the Day Award. (Always feel free to let me know who should get the coveted???award). The pressure to give the award is so heavy.....just like the Oscars.

We have the serious posts....the fluff posts and now we have "That Was Hysterical" posts. Love love love it! :D:D:D

shcisamax 12-30-2013 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by njbchbum (Post 803402)
That is true, shcisamax - but - what some people post as their 'honest' feelings/opinion...others interpret as harsh, mean, cruel and then file a complaint with the site admin. .

Maybe if people just think of themselves on the forum as being at a friend's home for a party and speak accordingly, there would be a manner of speaking that would not be offensive.

BTW: njbchbum...I will take the red off your hands.

graciegirl 12-30-2013 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shcisamax (Post 803415)
Maybe if people just think of themselves on the forum as being at a friend's home for a party and speak accordingly, there would be a manner of speaking that would not be offensive.

BTW: njbchbum...I will take the red off your hands.


Sometimes how people couch a phrase is very regional and different. There are all kinds of opportunities for people to be misunderstood, but most of us can read intent.


There are many honest and reasonable people who have heard something from someone that they accept as valid but it is not. That is the reason there is Snopes.


An open dialogue and sincere people seeking the truth is one of the benefits of this forum in my opinion. I think it DOES matter if there are two, or there are ten break ins. One is far worse than the other. How to protect yourself from a break in is the same and those kinds of things are helpful and should be shared.


I did call the Sumter County Sheriffs department and I now know how many break ins have occurred recently.


You all can call them too if you want to know.

billethkid 12-30-2013 12:39 PM

people will always be different when face to face...it is just human nature.

Some of the bold and at times offensive are that way only because they have anonymity to shield them.

We must also keep in mind no two people see/hear/interpret very much the same way. Especially in absence and written expression.

Just think of the variety of interpretations from any sized group about the temperature in a room. Too cold? Too warm? A draft? Hurts my lumbago? Open the door? Close the door? Turn on the fan? Turn off the fan?
Words from a key board are no different.

shcisamax 12-30-2013 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 803461)
Sometimes how people couch a phrase is very regional and different. There are all kinds of opportunities for people to be misunderstood, but most of us can read intent.

Isn't "intent" the magic word...


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