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jimjamuser 08-11-2022 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2124729)
I don't understand the half cost for maintenance. The only maintenance I do on my car are oil changes, brakes, and tires. Oil changes are $40, and I assume that an electric vehicle needs tires and brakes. Also, can you get a brake job on an electric vehicle at a service station, or do you need to go to the dealer, and pay a lot more?

You also need to change the air filter regularly and flush and change the radiator fluid. The injectors need to be flushed or changed on a regular basis. And there are some items in the smog control system that need to be changed regularly. And a catalytic converter needs to be changed after a few years and that is expensive. In Florida the heat causes the starter batteries to go bad as often as every 3 years. So, basically, there are MORE maintenance costs with an IC engine than with an Electrical motor,

jimjamuser 08-11-2022 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MartinSE (Post 2124813)
I don’t believe I said fully. Are you saying you drive 1000 miles without eating or peeing? Are you saying you can actually average 70 mph for 15 hours without breaking the law?

I weighted the numbers in favor of ICE.

No one averages 70 mph on a cross-country trip. It is hard to do 50 mph. You run into unforeseen traffic jams and accidents.

retiredguy123 08-11-2022 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2124863)
You also need to change the air filter regularly and flush and change the radiator fluid. The injectors need to be flushed or changed on a regular basis. And there are some items in the smog control system that need to be changed regularly. And a catalytic converter needs to be changed after a few years and that is expensive. In Florida the heat causes the starter batteries to go bad as often as every 3 years. So, basically, there are MORE maintenance costs with an IC engine than with an Electrical motor,

I have not done any of those things to cars that I have owned, except that I do replace the battery about every 4 or 5 years. Although, the new AGM (absorbent glass mat) batteries are supposed to last about 6 or 7 years.

jimjamuser 08-11-2022 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Aces4 (Post 2124847)
Americans are being forced to ev by the manipulation of supply and cost of gasoline. You must have missed that.

The war in the Ukraine and the cutting off of oil and gas to Europe are what "manipulated" the price of gasoline (which is coming down recently). Oil and gas prices are controlled by global conditions - not by anyone in the US.

MartinSE 08-11-2022 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2124866)
No one averages 70 mph on a cross-country trip. It is hard to do 50 mph. You run into unforeseen traffic jams and accidents.

Exactly I said I weighted the numbers in favor of the ICE. Even there the difference is negligible.

Also, I guess I need to withdraw some of my objections - I mean just the other day a dealer threaten to VICIOUSLY force me to take thousands of dollars if I purchased an EV.

Stu from NYC 08-11-2022 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2124872)
The war in the Ukraine and the cutting off of oil and gas to Europe are what "manipulated" the price of gasoline (which is coming down recently). Oil and gas prices are controlled by global conditions - not by anyone in the US.

When the oil companies cut back production it does affect the price

fishon 08-11-2022 01:27 PM

Shutting down Keystone pipeline was the game changer driving up futures and then prices.

biker1 08-11-2022 01:30 PM

Nonsense. I have never flushed or changed injectors and I have never had a car where this was a recommended maintenance procedure. I have never changed any items in the smog control system. I have never changed a catalytic converter. Starter batteries do need to be replaced every 3-5 years. Antifreeze is typically good for about 5-10 years. The antifreeze that is used to control the temperature of an EV battery will also need periodic replacing.

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2124863)
You also need to change the air filter regularly and flush and change the radiator fluid. The injectors need to be flushed or changed on a regular basis. And there are some items in the smog control system that need to be changed regularly. And a catalytic converter needs to be changed after a few years and that is expensive. In Florida the heat causes the starter batteries to go bad as often as every 3 years. So, basically, there are MORE maintenance costs with an IC engine than with an Electrical motor,


Two Bills 08-11-2022 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by fishon (Post 2124883)
Shutting down Keystone pipeline was the game changer driving up futures and then prices.

BS.
It was never open.
Would have taken two or more years to finish.
It was tar oil. The dirtiest most expensive stuff to produce, and refine, and all for export.
Would not have made a jot of difference to the oil/gas price and shortage today, even if construction had continued.
Covid and lack of world demand, reduced sales and production.
Post Covid, big demand, and world wide shortages.
The market rules!

jimjamuser 08-11-2022 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MartinSE (Post 2124874)
Exactly I said I weighted the numbers in favor of the ICE. Even there the difference is negligible.

Also, I guess I need to withdraw some of my objections - I mean just the other day a dealer threaten to VICIOUSLY force me to take thousands of dollars if I purchased an EV.

Another thing that most people do not realize about an IC gasoline engine is that they do not like to idle - they are NOT efficient AT LOW RPMs. To idle slowly they must be run RICH (in gas to air ratio) - then they give off more pollution. So, traffic jams are bad for mph, mpg, and pollution per mile. Diesel engines are better than gas for idle efficiency. (that is why the truckers sleep with A/C or heaters on and engines running at rest stops) The Electric Vehicle motor has none of these problems.

In general, the time lost and extra energy for idling are the INCREASED costs of traffic jams that are increasing due to the lack of additional LANES, which appear to be held up by a lack of transportation funding. And the population growth is greater than the growth of road maintenance money. The US is being penny-wise and dollar-foolish!

Kenswing 08-11-2022 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2124887)
Another thing that most people do not realize about an IC gasoline engine is that they do not like to idle - they are NOT efficient AT LOW RPMs. To idle slowly they must be run RICH (in gas to air ratio) - then they give off more pollution. So, traffic jams are bad for mph, mpg, and pollution per mile. Diesel engines are better than gas for idle efficiency. (that is why the truckers sleep with A/C or heaters on and engines running at rest stops) The Electric Vehicle motor has none of these problems.

In general, the time lost and extra energy for idling are the INCREASED costs of traffic jams that are increasing due to the lack of additional LANES, which appear to be held up by a lack of transportation funding. And the population growth is greater than the growth of road maintenance money. The US is being penny-wise and dollar-foolish!

Do cars even idle anymore? The last couple of cars we rented while traveling shut off when you came to a stop, kinda like a golf cart.

MartinSE 08-11-2022 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2124887)
Another thing that most people do not realize about an IC gasoline engine is that they do not like to idle - they are NOT efficient AT LOW RPMs. To idle slowly they must be run RICH (in gas to air ratio) - then they give off more pollution. So, traffic jams are bad for mph, mpg, and pollution per mile. Diesel engines are better than gas for idle efficiency. (that is why the truckers sleep with A/C or heaters on and engines running at rest stops) The Electric Vehicle motor has none of these problems.

In general, the time lost and extra energy for idling are the INCREASED costs of traffic jams that are increasing due to the lack of additional LANES, which appear to be held up by a lack of transportation funding. And the population growth is greater than the growth of road maintenance money. The US is being penny-wise and dollar-foolish!

I agree with you. Mass transit (electric trains) and Time shared EVs will help significantly with all those. And an added advantage of good quietly mass transit would be reduction of number of cars on the roads, reducing transit time, riding, etc, etc, etc.

But, you know, I got rights damn it.

Hardlyworking 08-11-2022 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2124886)
BS.
It was never open.
Would have taken two or more years to finish.
It was tar oil. The dirtiest most expensive stuff to produce, and refine, and all for export.
Would not have made a jot of difference to the oil/gas price and shortage today, even if construction had continued.
Covid and lack of world demand, reduced sales and production.
Post Covid, big demand, and world wide shortages.
The market rules!

BS. The Keystone XL was never open. That was Phase IV. The other three phases are open and running.

manaboutown 08-11-2022 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MartinSE (Post 2124892)
I agree with you. Mass transit (electric trains) and Time shared EVs will help significantly with all those. And an added advantage of good quietly mass transit would be reduction of number of cars on the roads, reducing transit time, riding, etc, etc, etc.

But, you know, I got rights damn it.

When the "elites" give up their limos, yachts and private jets and switch to mass transit so will I. That day will never come of course. Outrage as VIPs take private jets to climate summit

MartinSE 08-11-2022 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 2124896)
When the "elites" give up their limos, yachts and private jets and switch to mass transit so will I. That day will never come of course. Outrage as VIPs take private jets to climate summit

Yes, lets all base our lives on the elites. Good plan for our grandchildren. But, I understand I got mind damn it, screw everyone else.


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