Originally Posted by SkBlogW (Post 2013749)

That's a nice fantasy but far from reality. CDC guidance on covid transmission has always said (starting in Feb 2020) the virus can be spread through respiratory droplets and also fomites. They changed guidance in Oct 2020 to acknowledge it also spread through fine aerosols and they downplayed fomite transmission.

To say Fauci didn't know the virus spread through respiratory droplets in February 2020 is laughable. Here is Tony in his own words in an email dated Feb 5 2020

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Originally Posted by ithos (Post 2013763)

First of all, the recommendations did not EVOLVE.. It changed almost overnight. I am sure it was a coincidence but the policy u-turn occurred about the same time the extreme lockdowns were implemented.

Here is Fauci's job descriptions:

Dr. Fauci was appointed Director of NIAID in 1984. He oversees an extensive research portfolio of basic and applied research to prevent, diagnose, and treat established infectious diseases such as HIV/AIDS, respiratory infections, etc.

Since pandemics from viruses have occurred through out recorded history, why is it that in 2020 the highest paid US government employee with a tenure of almost 40 years did not have a clue about the effectiveness of cloth masks? Have we not been using masks in the medical field for decades?

I am not anti mask on a limited basis but the flip flop on policy was not based primarily on "Science" unless you are talking about political science.

And for the Fauci faithful out there, which prior health crisis out there has he done a superb job on?

Originally Posted by SkBlogW (Post 2012984)

Yesterday:

REPORTER: “But we can gather for Christmas or it’s just too soon to tell?”

FAUCI: “It’s just too soon to tell”

Today:

FAUCI: “I will be spending Christmas with my family. I encourage people -- particularly the vaccinated people who are protected -- to have a good, normal Christmas with your family.”

Originally Posted by SkBlogW (Post 2012984)

Yesterday:

REPORTER: “But we can gather for Christmas or it’s just too soon to tell?”

FAUCI: “It’s just too soon to tell”

Today:

FAUCI: “I will be spending Christmas with my family. I encourage people -- particularly the vaccinated people who are protected -- to have a good, normal Christmas with your family.”

Originally Posted by blueash (Post 2013018)

There is absolutely no change in what Dr Fauci said, just as there is no change in your constant attacks on a person who has devoted his life to combating disease. Statement one is about the nation as a whole, asking will the pandemic be over by Xmas. He honestly answers that we don't know yet. Will the anti-vax people see the light? Will a new strain emerge? Will hospitals continue to have to triage? Those kind of well informed questions lead Dr Fauci to his cautious answer.

The second statement is also clear. If you and your family are full vaccinated you can have a good normal Xmas. The unspoken part of that second statement is that if you and your family are not vaccinated then whether it is safe to gather is still unknown. So are you intentionally being obtuse or do you really not understand what is very clear to me in those two statements?

The science did NOT change. But science does improve knowledge with testing and evaluation in an ongoing manner. So if at some point the science does change that does not make an earlier statement wrong based on the information available at the time. However, when information is available it is the obligation of those who wish to claim the mantle of science to be up to date in their pronouncements. For those who are anti-science, ignorant, or incapable of understanding the literature and believe their own "opinions" about vaccines or deworming meds or social distancing, or masking should be taken seriously, just No to them.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2013897)

I would be fine with one xmas day for the Vaccinated and their family get-togethers. Then, another day for the recalcitrant anti-vaxxers and their families. It is the smushing together of the Vaccinated and the non-vaccinated that is causing all the problems in the US - whether that is at church, sports events, or anywhere! Portugal does NOT have that problem; they are 98% vaccinated. That is to dream for!

Originally Posted by thelegges (Post 2013049)

Since March of 2020, Except for me all my kids, grandchildren, plus my other half spent every holiday, including Christmas, with hundreds of unvaccinated. Plan is to do it again, this Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Years.

Originally Posted by jswirs (Post 2013082)

Sad? That is your opinion. It sounds joyful to me.

I don't need anyone's advice on how I should spend the holidays with my family. I would rather rely on my own common sense and critical thinking, which may be referred to as personal responsibility. Common sense and critical thinking is, IMHO, rapidly diminishing in today's society.
I have successfully and healthfully ascended into my 70's, and I'm not about to change what has gotten me this far.
If other's feel the need to be directed, that's their choice, not mine.

Originally Posted by PugMom (Post 2013348)

Bless you. The bigger picture I'm looking @ is how insane it is to seek a type of permission to see your own family. Hubby & I remain unvaxxed, had a trip up north on public transit & all the way back. We still test negative, much to the dismay of local doctors. I am responsible for myself, always have been, & will continue to do so without the help of elected officials & media hacks. Thanks for listening. :duck:

Originally Posted by MSchad (Post 2013086)

Don’t understand the division. Vaxed or unvaxed, “science” proves both contract and pass the virus. If you and yours are healthy, enjoy your holidays with your loved ones. If you are sick stay home. Advice we have all followed and passed on for decades.

Originally Posted by ithos (Post 2013170)

Fauci is self serving publicity hound, a habitual liar and a shill for Big Pharma. And untold thousands have died because of it.

He covered for WHO and the CCP early on when they conducted the sham investigation

He lied when he said COVID was of natural origin.

He lied about Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine despite documented findings from government agencies and renowned health professionals around the world.

Ivermectin, antiviral properties and COVID-19: a possible new mechanism of action - PubMed
Ivermectin: a multifaceted drug of Nobel prize-honoured distinction with indicated efficacy against a new global scourge, COVID-19 - PubMed

And he lied before Congress about funding the Wuhan Lab.

Details Emerge About Coronavirus Research at Chinese Lab

He doesn't have supporters. He has groupies.

Saint Anthony Fauci Prayer Candle Label | Etsy

Originally Posted by NJMike (Post 2013249)

The covid variants will probably continue, real or imagined, until the government has gained complete control over our lives. The final variant will probably be called "Communism".

Originally Posted by Wyseguy (Post 2013252)

God Bless you. Celebrate life and family. I would propose that those who want to isolate from their families most likely had that in them since before the virus.

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 2013256)

Paranoia strikes deep, into your heart it will creep...

Originally Posted by blueash (Post 2013018)

There is absolutely no change in what Dr Fauci said, just as there is no change in your constant attacks on a person who has devoted his life to combating disease. Statement one is about the nation as a whole, asking will the pandemic be over by Xmas. He honestly answers that we don't know yet. Will the anti-vax people see the light? Will a new strain emerge? Will hospitals continue to have to triage? Those kind of well informed questions lead Dr Fauci to his cautious answer.

The second statement is also clear. If you and your family are full vaccinated you can have a good normal Xmas. The unspoken part of that second statement is that if you and your family are not vaccinated then whether it is safe to gather is still unknown. So are you intentionally being obtuse or do you really not understand what is very clear to me in those two statements?

The science did NOT change. But science does improve knowledge with testing and evaluation in an ongoing manner. So if at some point the science does change that does not make an earlier statement wrong based on the information available at the time. However, when information is available it is the obligation of those who wish to claim the mantle of science to be up to date in their pronouncements. For those who are anti-science, ignorant, or incapable of understanding the literature and believe their own "opinions" about vaccines or deworming meds or social distancing, or masking should be taken seriously, just No to them.