[collie1228]

Originally Posted by Buckeye Bleau

What you are describing with the 50% receiving a placebo is a blind study that is used for a different purpose.
In this case they only want to know if it is effective or not and to what percentage it is efficacious.
So they would use known infected individuals and introduce the vaccine or healthy people then give them the pathogen and the vaccine. Right now they say over 90% effective so it resolved the ailment in over 9 of 10 participants.

There were some participants that died after receiving the vaccine, I am not sure where they would fall in the numbers, but then they don’t want to tell you about them.

Of course people died after receiving the vaccine. There were 30,000 people in at least one of the trials, with 15,000 getting the vaccine and 15,000 getting a placebo. In a population of 30,000 people, of all ages, ethnicity, health condition, etc., some people will die. Some will die after drinking milk for breakfast. Did the milk kill them? No. They could have died not necessarily from a vaccine, but just from normal living. Your comment makes it seem like "they" are hiding something. Balderdash. An American corporation could never survive such dishonesty. People who cast dispersion of unfounded suspicion only play into people's fears.

[biker1]

That is not what happened with the vaccine trial. They did not start with infected people. They did not introduce the virus to healthy people. There is no "resolving the ailment" because the vaccine is not a therapeutic.

Originally Posted by Buckeye Bleau

What you are describing with the 50% receiving a placebo is a blind study that is used for a different purpose.
In this case they only want to know if it is effective or not and to what percentage it is efficacious.
So they would use known infected individuals and introduce the vaccine or healthy people then give them the pathogen and the vaccine. Right now they say over 90% effective so it resolved the ailment in over 9 of 10 participants.

There were some participants that died after receiving the vaccine, I am not sure where they would fall in the numbers, but then they don’t want to tell you about them.

[merrymini]

Not me!

[cassjax2]

I just started a Covid vaccine trial this week. We were not given instructions regarding masks, etc. I believe we are expected to use common sense and go about our daily lives. Your line of thought sounds like you think we should be kept away from the public, which I don’t understand. If I had the vaccine (not the placebo) it seems to me that it would be safer to be around me rather than someone who who hasn’t had a vaccination.

[KRM0614]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I have one question as to how the Covid vaccine efficacy is determined. From what I understand, people who participate in the vaccine trials are either vaccinated with the actual vaccine or are vaccinated with a placebo. Then, all of people who participate in the trial go out into the community to "live their lives normally".

Now the question.......are those people in the trial wearing masks and social distancing or are these people in the trials not wearing masks and social distancing? Even if the trial people do NOT follow guidelines, people around them in the community may be following guidelines and wearing masks and social distancing.

I hope you are following my train of thoughts here. Bottom line......just how is the efficacy of a vaccine determined if masking and social distancing are being practiced by those involved in the trial and by the community they are exposed to?

They don’t know ! Just making money off of vaccine without substantial testing ! It’s a joke

[New Englander]

Originally Posted by Girlcopper

Guess we all just needto wait until the vaccines are approved and more info comes out. Riight now, when a vaccine is approved it will only be available to nursing homes, hospitals etc. Regular people cant have it until around 6 mos after its approved

I'm not a regular person.

[Byte1]

There have been no reported deaths related to the vaccine trials. Where did that come from?
And who said it was going to be six months before "we" get our vaccinations?
What's with all the "misinformation" being spread as fact?

[New Englander]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

How did you decide in the past??? You probably didn't.

That's true but Covid has changed everything.

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by biker1

Regarding the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine, the cold storage requirements for shipping and end use are apparently not as extreme as longer term storage. Reference was made to this on a recent press conference at the White House. It appears that Pfizer/BioNTech have shipping containers that use dry ice and the vaccine can be maintained for a week or more with dry ice. Also, once thawed, the vaccine is apparently usable for up to 5 days. Needless to say, the essentially "just in time delivery" nature of this vaccine complicates the logistics but it doesn't sound as if new refrigeration equipment will be needed at every end use location.

It is also likely Pfizer is stability testing in parallel various conditions that may ease the requirements. Launch what they know is stable first.

Moderna has been testing RNA vaccines longer so likely have more long term experience/data.

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by New Englander

That's true but Covid has changed everything.

Not much has changed..........historically there have been multi-producers. As in the past, this will be a push supply chain rather than a pull supply chain. The needlers will get what they get rather than ordering. The needle'ees don't have enough information (or brain power) to judge which med is better.

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by Buckeye Bleau

What you are describing with the 50% receiving a placebo is a blind study that is used for a different purpose.
In this case they only want to know if it is effective or not and to what percentage it is efficacious.
So they would use known infected individuals and introduce the vaccine or healthy people then give them the pathogen and the vaccine. Right now they say over 90% effective so it resolved the ailment in over 9 of 10 participants.

There were some participants that died after receiving the vaccine, I am not sure where they would fall in the numbers, but then they don’t want to tell you about them.

Where do people get this stuff from?

[jhbellew]

We are participating in the Oxford covid trial.

[Trishakaye]

If Zeke Emanuel gets his way, those of us 70 and older will be last in line.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by jhbellew

We are participating in the Oxford covid trial.

I cannot, CANNOT, thank you enough. I think I remember reading this from you before and I think I also recall that you may be retired medical. I am guessing an M.D.

I am so grateful for your gift of high intelligence and the decision to train it further and the courage to go to work every day dealing with many very challenging and impossible situations. Thank you for taking this risk.

No. I see this is your first post. I still thank you so very much.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Byte1

There have been no reported deaths related to the vaccine trials. Where did that come from?
And who said it was going to be six months before "we" get our vaccinations?
What's with all the "misinformation" being spread as fact?

Misinformation spread as facts is frustrating and dangerous, isn't it ?