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Dear TH,
I am sorry for your loss. please take solace in the fact that her last words were, "When you speak to the Man upstairs, please mention my name". To me this shows a soul seeking her God. The Bible clearly says those who seek me shall find me. Only God knows the thoughts and intents of the heart. Without getting into a deep theological discussion, I believe your cousin is in the loving arms of her savior, experiencing the joys of Heaven we cannot imagine. I was raised Catholic, but after much study, etc, during my teenage years found my faith in Christ as a Protestant. I have found that in the end, it is all about Grace. There is nothing we can do to make God love us any more then He does, and nothing we can do to make God love us any less. In fact, the only time in the New Testament that Christ got angry was with the "Religious Zealots".....moneychangers who turned faith into a business. Sadly, there are those today in every denomination who have done this. Thus the parable of the sheep and the goats.....Jesus himself said many who claim to have lived a religious life will be told by Him, "Depart from me, I never knew you....". Again, I am sorry for your loss. Respectfully, Frank
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Talk host. Saying you are catholic and attended catholic schools,why not get involved and try and change these things. Sitting back and being negative about the church will not slove anything.
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My condolences to you and your family.
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I am not a Roman Catholic nor am I a particularly religious person as it relates to organized religions. However, I understand the importance of last rites and anointing of the sick to Catholics. If ever they needed the church, that's when they need it most. So, I fully understand TH's anger.
It may help to hear another experience. My late son-in-law was raised by strict Roman Catholic standards. Parochial schools, altar boy, etc. As soon as he reached adulthood he walked away from the Church. In his early sixties he was diagnosed with incurable cancer. While in the hospital and during the final stages my daughter asked a local parish if someone would attend him. Subsequently a priest visited him regularly. He was wonderful. I can not describe how much it meant to him and his family. That is not my only positive exposure to a priest stepping forward when badly needed. |
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Did the battlefield chaplains check church membership cards during WWII? |
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Condolence
So sorry to read of your loss. Rest in the knowledge that God will be happy to receive your aunt, and appoint her to one of His many mansions. Sandra
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Sorry for the loss and the frustration. Regarding the commentary
by some of the "Catholic Church" doing or not doing....it happened to be that particular priest who is specifically to blame in this instance....not the "Catholic Church".
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If you would please provide me with the names of both your deceased cousin and her pre-deceased husband either here or in a PM? I have a cousin in Alaska who's a priest and also a priest freind in Staten Island who is specially trained in Cannon Law. I would like to send both of them a copy of your posting, if that's alright with you, and ask both of them if they would include both your cousin and her husband in their prayers at a future mass.
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ARE VILLAGERS OLD OR ARE THEY RECYCLED TEENAGERS At my age rolling out of bed in the morning is easy. Getting up off the floor is another story. "SMILE... TOMORROW MAY BE EVEN WORSE!"
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Dear TH
I'm so sorry for your loss and the loss of your faith in the Catholic Church. Many years ago I lost my Mother and Sister in Jonestown. My Mother and Sister refused to see me for five years before their deaths because I did not believe in their faith. For many years I had distain and resentment for all churches. Now I look at these organization differently, they are run by people who are so human and not perfect. Currently I have a wonderful relationship with my God of my understanding. I need to reduce my expectations of others and somehow I feel better. Please know I'm so sorry for your experience TH, but I believe your Cousin had a relationship with her God and she is at peace.
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I believe religion is about faith. For Christians, Jesus said "If you believe, you will be saved" It sounds like your cousin believed.
I studied for the priesthood for years, but left the seminary before receiving holy orders. I left because I struggled with my faith. I believe more deeply today, but I'm still not there yet. The mysteries and seeming illogic of Catholicism, (and maybe other religions too) is daunting. The sacraments of the church, including the anointing of the sick and dying, are external rituals, meaningful and comforting, but not essential for salvation. My faith wavers because I know I would always fail to measure up to what Jesus would ask of me as his representative. There is no greater challenge than knowing you are imperfect and trying to be perfect anyway. All priests fail in many small ways, some spectacularly. But nothing humans do is an indictment of the religion, it is only proof that we humans often fall short of meeting this "test" on earth. As you grieve, perhaps you also know that your cousin was a very good, christian person who did not need the external sign of a sacrament to be assured of a place in heaven, and that you can take comfort in that. |
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I am sorry that you have lost your cousin. It is very hard to let someone near to us go.
I pray that you will be comforted as time passes. Last edited by graciegirl; 02-21-2011 at 12:14 PM. |
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Condolences
TH
Sorry for your loss, what the priest did was reprehensible. |
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The Church is not the Priests
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As a hospital chaplain I have seen many clergypersons in action. Some were horrible IMHO, but most were good to absolutely beautiful. I have witnessed Annointing of the Sick rites which brought me and the family/patient to tears due to their beauty. I am so sorry that this happened. It was inconscienciable. Yes, it is true that in times of great happiness or stress people turn to the churches even when they have not been terribly active before that. Perhaps the priest was over worked as most of them are but this story as we are hearing it here, is truly sad. We need to lift the people involved up to the Lord for healing of pain, grief, and anger. We need to lift our clergy persons up as well. I know I will do so. This story really increases my desire to be the very best chaplain I can be to people in hard times.
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Sally Bowron Cincinnati, Ohio; Osceola Hills at Soaring Eagle, TV When God made me he said Ta Da! |
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WWII "What" ??????????????
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TH, I'm so sorry for the loss you and your loved ones have suffered. I'm sure your cousin is once again whole, happy and rejoicing. May God help you replace your feelings of loss with joy when you remember her. I also pray that this priest be granted the compassion and understanding for loss that we all face one day. May he be reminded that this is his calling and tending to the sick is what he has pledged to God to do.
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Namaste y'all Last edited by pooh; 02-21-2011 at 02:00 PM. |
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