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MDLNB 08-31-2021 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1997346)
Hard to be much clearer than that, but I am betting people will still spin this somehow as a personal or political attack. It seems to be hopeless to try to discuss anything, since everything said is spun and assumed to be a personal attack.

So, if she said that a LIBERAL radio broadcaster had died of covid, that would not be construed as a political slur? OK, works for me.

rustyp 08-31-2021 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by MDLNB (Post 1997337)
Thank you President Trump for Fast Tracking the approval for use of the Covid vaccines and saving hundreds of thousands of lives, maybe millions of lives throughout the world. If not for the approval here, there still would not be a vaccine to fight covid. And I can definitely say that because the vaccine still hasn't been approved by the FDA yet. What has been approved by the FDA can not be distributed yet. President Trump should get some form of Nobel prize for his part in this.
I seem to recall it this way:
On 2 December 2020, the United Kingdom's Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) gave temporary regulatory approval for the Pfizer–BioNTech vaccine, becoming the first country to approve this vaccine and the first country in the Western world to approve the use of any COVID‑19 vaccine.

OrangeBlossomBaby 08-31-2021 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by MDLNB (Post 1997353)
So, if she said that a LIBERAL radio broadcaster had died of covid, that would not be construed as a political slur? OK, works for me.
Only if it was implied that the death was the result of them being liberal. Then, it'd be a slur.

In this case, the broadcaster claimed to be a conservative. He didn't conserve very efficiently however, since he's now dead.

If he was a liberal. I would've said - he was liberal with pretense, but now he can't pretend the vaccine is dangerous anymore, because he's dead.

If he was independent, I would've said, it's a shame he was too independent to consider the thoughts of actual scientists, but now he'll be truly independent - since he's dead.

OrangeBlossomBaby 08-31-2021 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 1997360)
I seem to recall it this way:
On 2 December 2020, the United Kingdom's Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) gave temporary regulatory approval for the Pfizer–BioNTech vaccine, becoming the first country to approve this vaccine and the first country in the Western world to approve the use of any COVID‑19 vaccine.
That vaccine has been fully approved for use in the USA since August 23, and is currently available for anyone 16 or over nationwide.

rustyp 08-31-2021 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 1997360)
I seem to recall it this way:
On 2 December 2020, the United Kingdom's Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) gave temporary regulatory approval for the Pfizer–BioNTech vaccine, becoming the first country to approve this vaccine and the first country in the Western world to approve the use of any COVID‑19 vaccine.
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1997366)
That vaccine has been fully approved for use in the USA since August 23, and is currently available for anyone 16 or over nationwide.
You are correct FDA approval August 2021. I also believe I am correct with UK MHRA approval in 2020. What am I missing in your message ?

John41 08-31-2021 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by lkagele (Post 1996876)
I think that was me. The reason I don't necessarily listen to those entities is because they are too often political.

I don't doubt Fauci is a very smart man but I also don't doubt he has hidden agendas. When he flip flops several times on the advice he gives, he loses me. When he claims no one should question him because he is science, he loses me. When he tries to change the definition of gain of function research, he loses me.

The CDC loses me when it claims gun violence is a disease. The WHO loses me when it covers up for China. The NIH loses me when it won't admit it funded gain of function research. Those organizations all have agendas.

I'm not really a sheeple type of guy. Go ahead and accept everything hook, line and sinker that comes out these governmental agencies. Me, I'll continue to take everything they say with a healthy grain of salt and look for other reliable sources to validate or refute.
And the CDC now requires reports to be written in wokespeak. And any medical body that denies there are just two sexes, like the AMA, is a science fraud. However the vaccines were developed under OWS when there was some integrity. So I advise all to get vaccinated and if high risk like us to wear an N95 mask when social distancing is not possible indoors. Forget the virtue signaling dust masks.

OrangeBlossomBaby 08-31-2021 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1997366)
That vaccine has been fully approved for use in the USA since August 23, and is currently available for anyone 16 or over nationwide.
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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 1997443)
You are correct FDA approval August 2021. I also believe I am correct with UK MHRA approval in 2020. What am I missing in your message ?
You were responding to this:
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Originally Posted by MDLNB View Post
Thank you President Trump for Fast Tracking the approval for use of the Covid vaccines and saving hundreds of thousands of lives, maybe millions of lives throughout the world. If not for the approval here, there still would not be a vaccine to fight covid. And I can definitely say that because the vaccine still hasn't been approved by the FDA yet. What has been approved by the FDA can not be distributed yet. President Trump should get some form of Nobel prize for his part in this.
and my comment was a tag on the back of that.

jswirs 09-01-2021 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by lkagele (Post 1996876)
I think that was me. The reason I don't necessarily listen to those entities is because they are too often political.

I don't doubt Fauci is a very smart man but I also don't doubt he has hidden agendas. When he flip flops several times on the advice he gives, he loses me. When he claims no one should question him because he is science, he loses me. When he tries to change the definition of gain of function research, he loses me.

The CDC loses me when it claims gun violence is a disease. The WHO loses me when it covers up for China. The NIH loses me when it won't admit it funded gain of function research. Those organizations all have agendas.

I'm not really a sheeple type of guy. Go ahead and accept everything hook, line and sinker that comes out these governmental agencies. Me, I'll continue to take everything they say with a healthy grain of salt and look for other reliable sources to validate or refute.
You echo my sentiment EXACTLY! And, if I may add, "The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior". Or, if you prefer, "Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me", because they have proven themselves to be untrustworthy. I'll trust my own critical, pragmatic thinking before I trust any of these so called "Experts", and the agencies they represent. They all have their own hidden agendas. IMHO!

golfing eagles 09-01-2021 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted by jswirs (Post 1997533)
You echo my sentiment EXACTLY! And, if I may add, "The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior". Or, if you prefer, "Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me", because they have proven themselves to be untrustworthy. I'll trust my own critical, pragmatic thinking before I trust any of these so called "Experts", and the agencies they represent. They all have their own hidden agendas. IMHO!
Res ipsa loquitur

blueash 09-01-2021 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by lkagele (Post 1996876)
I think that was me.

The CDC loses me when it claims gun violence is a disease.
I extracted this from a longer post because it reflects a lack of understanding, which is correctable by information, if the person is interested in learning. You fail to know the mission of the CDC. Yes, the D stands for disease. But their mission is not limited to infectious disease. The Navy is not just boats.

The CDC's role is:

Quote:
Detecting and responding to new and emerging health threats
Tackling the biggest health problems causing death and disability for Americans
Putting science and advanced technology into action to prevent disease
Promoting healthy and safe behaviors, communities and environment
If Covid is causing deaths or disability.. it is in the CDC's role to investigate.
If suicide is causing deaths or disability.. it is in the CDC's role to investigate.
If drug overdose ....
If falls in the home by the elderly is causing ....
If domestic violence is causing deaths or disability...

Are you getting the picture?
The CDC is not just a germ agency, it is charged with collecting data to keep people healthy. What can be a cause of death on a death certificate?

Pretty sure gun violence makes that list.

The CDC collects data on Child Sexual Abuse. Are you angry about that? It's not a disease in the traditional sense.

Your knowledge of what the CDC does is limited. Your choice to not trust it because they include gun violence as a problem in America worth trying to reduce shows you do not understand what the CDC does that is not just germs.

Firearm injuries are in the top five causes of death for people under 65 in the US.

So now that you've learned why the CDC is involved in gun violence research, do you now trust it on other issues?

golfing eagles 09-01-2021 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1997701)
I extracted this from a longer post because it reflects a lack of understanding, which is correctable by information, if the person is interested in learning. You fail to know the mission of the CDC. Yes, the D stands for disease. But their mission is not limited to infectious disease. The Navy is not just boats.

The CDC's role is:



If Covid is causing deaths or disability.. it is in the CDC's role to investigate.
If suicide is causing deaths or disability.. it is in the CDC's role to investigate.
If drug overdose ....
If falls in the home by the elderly is causing ....
If domestic violence is causing deaths or disability...

Are you getting the picture?
The CDC is not just a germ agency, it is charged with collecting data to keep people healthy. What can be a cause of death on a death certificate?

Pretty sure gun violence makes that list.

The CDC collects data on Child Sexual Abuse. Are you angry about that? It's not a disease in the traditional sense.

Your knowledge of what the CDC does is limited. Your choice to not trust it because they include gun violence as a problem in America worth trying to reduce shows you do not understand what the CDC does that is not just germs.

Firearm injuries are in the top five causes of death for people under 65 in the US.

So now that you've learned why the CDC is involved in gun violence research, do you now trust it on other issues?
Great post.

But something tells me it will not convince anyone who ignores experts and "does their own research and makes their own decision"

stanley 09-01-2021 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1997701)

Firearm injuries are in the top five causes of death for people under 65 in the US.
Where is that statistic?

blueash 09-01-2021 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by stanley (Post 1997709)
Where is that statistic?
Firearm Violence Prevention |Violence Prevention|Injury Center|CDC half way down the page

unialimon 09-01-2021 09:45 AM
FaceBook, Yeah gotta be true.

Byte1 09-01-2021 09:50 AM
:pray:

stanley 09-01-2021 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1997719)
What to believe? Scroll to page 11

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/n...r70-09-508.pdf

blueash 09-01-2021 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by stanley (Post 1997730)
Ok, I did look at that page per your suggestion. I don't see that there is anything in those charts that is in any way contrary to the statement that gun violence is a top five cause of death between ages 1 and 64.

This is an opportunity for you to explain how those pie charts would lead you to believe there is an inconsistency in the CDC's statement and provide an excellent example of what the OP said at the very beginning about how "doing research" on the internet requires some level of knowledge to interpret what you see.

stanley 09-01-2021 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1997744)
Ok, I did look at that page per your suggestion. I don't see that there is anything in those charts that is in any way contrary to the statement that gun violence is a top five cause of death between ages 1 and 64.

This is an opportunity for you to explain how those pie charts would lead you to believe there is an inconsistency in the CDC's statement and provide an excellent example of what the OP said at the very beginning about how "doing research" on the internet requires some level of knowledge to interpret what you see.
Where on those pie charts does it mention "gun injuries resulting in death"?

GrumpyOldMan 09-01-2021 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1997701)
I extracted this from a longer post because it reflects a lack of understanding, which is correctable by information, if the person is interested in learning. You fail to know the mission of the CDC. Yes, the D stands for disease. But their mission is not limited to infectious disease. The Navy is not just boats.

The CDC's role is:



If Covid is causing deaths or disability.. it is in the CDC's role to investigate.
If suicide is causing deaths or disability.. it is in the CDC's role to investigate.
If drug overdose ....
If falls in the home by the elderly is causing ....
If domestic violence is causing deaths or disability...

Are you getting the picture?
The CDC is not just a germ agency, it is charged with collecting data to keep people healthy. What can be a cause of death on a death certificate?

Pretty sure gun violence makes that list.

The CDC collects data on Child Sexual Abuse. Are you angry about that? It's not a disease in the traditional sense.

Your knowledge of what the CDC does is limited. Your choice to not trust it because they include gun violence as a problem in America worth trying to reduce shows you do not understand what the CDC does that is not just germs.

Firearm injuries are in the top five causes of death for people under 65 in the US.

So now that you've learned why the CDC is involved in gun violence research, do you now trust it on other issues?
You miss the point. THEY don't care. The CDC did not march in step with a certain person, therefore the CDC is yet another failed government agency.

John41 09-01-2021 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1997701)
I extracted this from a longer post because it reflects a lack of understanding, which is correctable by information, if the person is interested in learning. You fail to know the mission of the CDC. Yes, the D stands for disease. But their mission is not limited to infectious disease. The Navy is not just boats.

The CDC's role is:



If Covid is causing deaths or disability.. it is in the CDC's role to investigate.
If suicide is causing deaths or disability.. it is in the CDC's role to investigate.
If drug overdose ....
If falls in the home by the elderly is causing ....
If domestic violence is causing deaths or disability...

Are you getting the picture?
The CDC is not just a germ agency, it is charged with collecting data to keep people healthy. What can be a cause of death on a death certificate?

Pretty sure gun violence makes that list.

The CDC collects data on Child Sexual Abuse. Are you angry about that? It's not a disease in the traditional sense.

Your knowledge of what the CDC does is limited. Your choice to not trust it because they include gun violence as a problem in America worth trying to reduce shows you do not understand what the CDC does that is not just germs.

Firearm injuries are in the top five causes of death for people under 65 in the US.

So now that you've learned why the CDC is involved in gun violence research, do you now trust it on other issues?
How about illegal immigrants flooding the border, refusing vaccination and filling Texas hospitals?
Or how about the epidemic of black men killing other black men?
Or how about violence being higher with areas with strict gun control?
Or how about someone who violated the law and funded gain of function research which is killing millions.
Or how about someone with the nuclear codes refusing a cognitive ability test?

blueash 09-01-2021 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by stanley (Post 1997748)
Where on those pie charts does it mention "gun injuries resulting in death"?
It doesn't. It also doesn't mention car accidents. It doesn't mention heart attacks. It doesn't mention melanoma. It doesn't mention drowning. What do you conclude from that?
If you read the entire pdf it will tell you how each diagnosis is categorized. ICD-10 is a huge collection of diagnoses that get into tiny detail.

Looking at the pie chart you will see, if the image is legible, that there are in the top five for almost all the age groups such things as suicide, homicide, accidental deaths. Some of those are gun, some are not. The pie chart does not tell you. But within each of those slices of the pie are some gun deaths.

The CDC has the fine detail on the deaths. The numbers are available using their Wonder system if you want to do the work. The summary I cited tells you that when they looked at the fine detail they found that gun violence is in the top five causes for ages 1 to 64. I accept that statement and find nothing in the pie chart to make me question the conclusion.

stanley 09-01-2021 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1997791)
I accept that statement and find nothing in the pie chart to make me question the conclusion.

And I do. Like I said............what, who to believe.

blueash 09-01-2021 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by stanley (Post 1997794)
And I do. Like I said............what, who to believe.
Let's summarize. A person says he doesn't trust the CDC because it is investigating gun violence as a disease.
I pointed out that the CDC investigates lots of things that are not diseases, listing several, then added that gun violence is in the top five causes of death under age 65.
You challenged me to give a citation for that statement.
I linked the exact page from the CDC with that statement.
You returned saying that page 11, a set of pie charts, did not apparently support the CDC's own statement.
I then posted the pie charts and explained that they have nothing in them to refute or question their summary conclusion
You returned to say BUT it doesn't say gun on the chart
I patiently explained that it doesn't say lots of things, the pie chart lumps many discrete causes into larger group for the chart but that you can find the micro data using Wonder, and I gave you a link to that data. The CDC knows how to add and make a list.
You replied, I still don't know who to believe.
Who is saying anything otherwise? Is there some person or organization that is saying gun violence is not in the top five? Why are you questioning this simple collection and presentation of data? See my signature line.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink seems to apply.

golfing eagles 09-01-2021 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1997800)
Let's summarize. A person says he doesn't trust the CDC because it is investigating gun violence as a disease.
I pointed out that the CDC investigates lots of things that are not diseases, listing several, then added that gun violence is in the top five causes of death under age 65.
You challenged me to give a citation for that statement.
I linked the exact page from the CDC with that statement.
You returned saying that page 11, a set of pie charts, did not apparently support the CDC's own statement.
I then posted the pie charts and explained that they have nothing in them to refute or question their summary conclusion
You returned to say BUT it doesn't say gun on the chart
I patiently explained that it doesn't say lots of things, the pie chart lumps many discrete causes into larger group for the chart but that you can find the micro data using Wonder, and I gave you a link to that data. The CDC knows how to add and make a list.
You replied, I still don't know who to believe.
Who is saying anything otherwise? Is there some person or organization that is saying gun violence is not in the top five? Why are you questioning this simple collection and presentation of data? See my signature line.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink seems to apply.
To repeat what I said in post #51-----

Something tells me it will not convince anyone who ignores experts and "does their own research and makes their own decision"

lkagele 09-01-2021 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1997701)
I extracted this from a longer post because it reflects a lack of understanding, which is correctable by information, if the person is interested in learning.

Are you getting the picture?

Are you angry about that?

So now that you've learned why the CDC is involved in gun violence research, do you now trust it on other issues?
You seem to think I'm angry but your post makes it clear, at least to me, that you're the one that is angry. And condescending. Investigating gun violence was just one example. I didn't think anyone would think it was the sole reason I don't always accept government sources.

The answer to your last question is a resounding, 'no'. You left out an important part of the post. I'll research other sites to refute or validate.

I'll bet you a friendly beer that when the CDC provides its findings it will include remedies such as gun control, gun confiscation, ammo bans and the like. I think it has pre-drawn conclusions and is agenda driven. If this administration was really concerned with gun violence, it would start with law and order initiatives/directives in our inner cities where the vast majority of gun violence occurs. I don't need a CDC study to know that.

lkagele 09-01-2021 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1997707)
Great post.

But something tells me it will not convince anyone who ignores experts and "does their own research and makes their own decision"
LOL. Another post directed at me. Another 'my way or the highway' type of guy. Geez.

Apparently, you must do the type of research the OP defines on each and every subject. Right!

Science is filled with disputes and conflicting views. That's the nature of it. I'm glad, however, that I've finally found someone that is the definitive source for knowing which experts are correct and which are not.

John41 09-01-2021 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by stanley (Post 1997709)
Where is that statistic?
Blueash is incorrect about gun violence being in the top five causes of death. Here are the facts from the CDC.

1. Heart disease: 659,041
2. Cancer: 599,601
3. Accidents (unintentional injuries): 173,040
4. Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 156,979
5. Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 150,005

Leading causes of #3. Accidents
1. Choking
2. Fires
3. Falls
4. Poisoning
5. Car accidents

golfing eagles 09-01-2021 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by lkagele (Post 1997812)
LOL. Another post directed at me. Another 'my way or the highway' type of guy. Geez.

Apparently, you must do the type of research the OP defines on each and every subject. Right!

Science is filled with disputes and conflicting views. That's the nature of it. I'm glad, however, that I've finally found someone that is the definitive source for knowing which experts are correct and which are not.
Try not to be paranoid. Nothing was directed at you.

OrangeBlossomBaby 09-01-2021 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by John41 (Post 1997824)
Blueash is incorrect about gun violence being in the top five causes of death. Here are the facts from the CDC.

1. Heart disease: 659,041
2. Cancer: 599,601
3. Accidents (unintentional injuries): 173,040
4. Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 156,979
5. Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 150,005

Leading causes of #3. Accidents
1. Choking
2. Fires
3. Falls
4. Poisoning
5. Car accidents
Many of these can INCLUDE and INVOLVE gun violence. Here's how:

Heart disease: person was shot, might have survived but because of heart disease, suffered a heart attack and died.

Accidents:
Choking - person was shot, might have survived, but choked to death in the process.
Fires - victim of arson - was shot, but it was the fire that killed them because being shot meant they were incapacitated and couldn't escape.
Falls - shot, and fell. Broken neck is what killed them.
Car accidents - shot while driving or while passenger in a car that veered off the road and killed them.

Lower respiratory disease - shot in an already diseased lung; the other lung wasn't strong enough to keep them alive. Death by disease.

Stroke - being shot triggered a stroke, and they died from the stroke.

John41 09-01-2021 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1997840)
Many of these can INCLUDE and INVOLVE gun violence. Here's how:

Heart disease: person was shot, might have survived but because of heart disease, suffered a heart attack and died.

Accidents:
Choking - person was shot, might have survived, but choked to death in the process.
Fires - victim of arson - was shot, but it was the fire that killed them because being shot meant they were incapacitated and couldn't escape.
Falls - shot, and fell. Broken neck is what killed them.
Car accidents - shot while driving or while passenger in a car that veered off the road and killed them.

Lower respiratory disease - shot in an already diseased lung; the other lung wasn't strong enough to keep them alive. Death by disease.

Stroke - being shot triggered a stroke, and they died from the stroke.
LOL that’s funny. I died laughing as I was being shot.

stanley 09-01-2021 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1997840)
Many of these can INCLUDE and INVOLVE gun violence. Here's how:

Heart disease: person was shot, might have survived but because of heart disease, suffered a heart attack and died.

Accidents:
Choking - person was shot, might have survived, but choked to death in the process.
Fires - victim of arson - was shot, but it was the fire that killed them because being shot meant they were incapacitated and couldn't escape.
Falls - shot, and fell. Broken neck is what killed them.
Car accidents - shot while driving or while passenger in a car that veered off the road and killed them.

Lower respiratory disease - shot in an already diseased lung; the other lung wasn't strong enough to keep them alive. Death by disease.

Stroke - being shot triggered a stroke, and they died from the stroke.
Yeah......kinda like dying with Covid not from Covid and counting it as a Covid death :ohdear:

SkBlogW 09-01-2021 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1997800)
Let's summarize. A person says he doesn't trust the CDC because it is investigating gun violence as a disease.
I pointed out that the CDC investigates lots of things that are not diseases, listing several, then added that gun violence is in the top five causes of death under age 65.
You challenged me to give a citation for that statement.
I linked the exact page from the CDC with that statement.
You returned saying that page 11, a set of pie charts, did not apparently support the CDC's own statement.
I then posted the pie charts and explained that they have nothing in them to refute or question their summary conclusion
You returned to say BUT it doesn't say gun on the chart
I patiently explained that it doesn't say lots of things, the pie chart lumps many discrete causes into larger group for the chart but that you can find the micro data using Wonder, and I gave you a link to that data. The CDC knows how to add and make a list.
You replied, I still don't know who to believe.
Who is saying anything otherwise? Is there some person or organization that is saying gun violence is not in the top five? Why are you questioning this simple collection and presentation of data? See my signature line.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink seems to apply.
Perhaps the CDC can investigate why the US gave billions in guns, military vehicles, helicopters and planes to a terrorist army? This is going to contribute to the disease of gun violence I tell ya!

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unialimon 09-01-2021 04:07 PM
I can hardly wait to read these posts in 5 years.

blueash 09-01-2021 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by John41 (Post 1997824)
Blueash is incorrect about gun violence being in the top five causes of death. Here are the facts from the CDC.

1. Heart disease: 659,041
2. Cancer: 599,601
3. Accidents (unintentional injuries): 173,040
4. Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 156,979
5. Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 150,005

Leading causes of #3. Accidents
1. Choking
2. Fires
3. Falls
4. Poisoning
5. Car accidents
Reading comprehension, please. I'll once again repeat the statement which I quoted from the CDC...
Gun violence is in the top five causes of death for people from ages 1 to 64.

Now tell me again how I got it wrong. What you listed as the top five, correctly by the way, are deaths for ALL AGES and that means as most Americans die after age 64 that those diseases are what cause deaths in the elderly.

See post 50, 57 and 61 for what I actually wrote as opposed to what you claim I wrote.

Thanks for not correcting me.

lkagele 09-01-2021 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1997974)
Reading comprehension, please. I'll once again repeat the statement which I quoted from the CDC...
Gun violence is in the top five causes of death for people from ages 1 to 64.

Now tell me again how I got it wrong. What you listed as the top five, correctly by the way, are deaths for ALL AGES and that means as most Americans die after age 64 that those diseases are what cause deaths in the elderly.

See post 50, 57 and 61 for what I actually wrote as opposed to what you claim I wrote.

Thanks for not correcting me.
After much thought, I think I can articulate clearly why I don't believe everything the CDC advises and go to trusted sources I've developed to verify or refute its advice. I don't need to be top notch, professional researcher as the OP defines and I understand confirmation bias completely. But if I have reliable sources that actually do that level of research then it becomes easier to refute or verify.

Now to the CDC and firearm violence. Rationalize it any way you want but if you don't believe the CDC has an agenda when it advises on many issues then you're extremely naïve. You have to remember, this is the agency that just days ago ILLEGALLY extended the eviction moratorium in direct violation of the recent Supreme Court decision. Are you really going to try and convince me that's a public health issue and in the CDC's realm of authority? It's not and neither is firearm violence. Provide statistics, fine. But anything other than that, I suspect a hidden agenda.

And here it is. There is no doubt in my mind this is an end run for gun control. The CDC is going to label firearm violence as a 'public health crisis' giving the government perceived authority to implement by executive order a partial or complete gun control order. Mark those words.

John41 09-01-2021 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1997974)
Reading comprehension, please. I'll once again repeat the statement which I quoted from the CDC...
Gun violence is in the top five causes of death for people from ages 1 to 64.

Now tell me again how I got it wrong. What you listed as the top five, correctly by the way, are deaths for ALL AGES and that means as most Americans die after age 64 that those diseases are what cause deaths in the elderly.

See post 50, 57 and 61 for what I actually wrote as opposed to what you claim I wrote.

Thanks for not correcting me.
This is the CDC mission statement according to them.

—CDC works to protect America from health, safety and security threats, both foreign and in the U.S. —

Notice it does not say just for those under 65. The age range under 65 is used to compute YPLL which is years productive life lost. Totally different animal. Any sub group could be chosen to make any point for a political narrative. For example should the CDC investigate why blacks are only 12% of the population but commit 36% of the violent crimes, rape robbery mainly against each other. Are they just the “super predators” as a former VP once stated.

So you chose the incorrect age range to make your point. In other words you stated an hypotheses then chose data that made it work (maybe).That’s a no-no in statistics. So like it or not gun violence is not within the top five causes of death unless, of course, you live in Chicago where there are strict gun control laws. LOL

John41 09-01-2021 10:53 PM
This year the woke CDC is pressing liberal gun control for the first time in decades. The first move by every dictatorship is to disarm the public. Ironic that they just provided our enemy the Taliban with about 500,000 US firearms.
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The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) will be restarting its dormant "gun violence" research program to address the "epidemic" of firearm deaths and injuries, reported the Daily Wire.

"Something has to be done about this," said CDC director Dr. Rochelle Walensky. "Now is the time — it's pedal to the metal time."

She said the health services agency would branch from issuing COVID-19 recommendations to the issue of gun control for the first time in "decades."

Ben Franklin 09-02-2021 04:53 PM
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MorTech 09-02-2021 05:21 PM
What "studies" do you "believe"...And why? Do you still watch the idiot box? Read idiot "newspapers"? What's you're CV?

There was never a time when wait staff in TV weren't complaining about rude retirees. Now it is just intolerable.

Israel had forced vaccination...Israeli studies are a good place to start.

I like this...Warning for virgin ears: Foul Language.

Jack McBrayer & Triumph Visit Chicago's Weiner's Circle | CONAN on TBS - YouTube

lkagele 09-02-2021 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by MorTech (Post 1998377)
What "studies" do you "believe"...And why? Do you still watch the idiot box? Read idiot "newspapers"? What's you're CV?

There was never a time when wait staff in TV weren't complaining about rude retirees. Now it is just intolerable.

Israel had forced vaccination...Israeli studies are a good place to start.

I like this...Warning for virgin ears: Foul Language.

Jack McBrayer & Triumph Visit Chicago's Weiner's Circle | CONAN on TBS - YouTube
Now that's funny. Very good.


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