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senior citizen 07-11-2013 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by TraceyMooreRN (Post 706667)
First, NOT GUILTY would be my vote.

Second, Why follow this kid? Well, he called 911 and said there was suspicious activity (or to that nature). He is a want to be cop (remember) so--he wants to catch the bad guys (or whom he thought was a bad guy). So follows. Was he scared? Nope (gun) on right hip. Not sure why if he is left handed. Clearly self defense. Yep- bit off more than he can chew and got in a situation which left a child dead.

Third, a friend posted on my facebook. Young woman (white) killed for tip money by three (african american men) charged. Did you know that? Did you hear that in the news? Is there a march? Any key speakers on her behalf? Was she profiled?? See link:

Woman killed for tip money, 2 men charged, 1 at large - Post-Tribune

I just think this whole thing is sad. Sad someone (white/black or whatever race) lost his life. Sorry for the loss to family. Sorry for the man who shot a child and has to live with this the rest of his life. Sad it has turned a country into a racial issue when clearly- with the "hoodie"- did he even know what race "suspect" was when he started to follow him?
Very sad and very tragic. I read the news article in its entirety as basically it's exactly what my husband and I were saying to each other while watching the prosecutor "close"........that these things happen much more frequently to white folks and no one protests, marches in the streets or has special advocates for the white victims of black crimes. It's quite obvious. It shouldn't turn into a racial issue. The police didn't even want to arrest George in the beginning.............thanks for sharing the link.

DougB 07-11-2013 07:53 PM
Not only did the neighbors do nothing to stop the fight, but then one of them found it more important to take pictures of the scratches on the back of his head instead of administering care to a 17 year old teenager dying with his face in the grass. Thankful I don't live near any of them.

senior citizen 07-11-2013 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by kittygilchrist (Post 706575)
I've worked in institutions with insane offenders: ax murderers, tire iron murderers. I've owned properties where vagrants slept in the outside laundry room and hastily retreated leaving a copy of today's newspaper and a blanket. Not to mention violent drug addicts whose children I brought to shelter at midnight.

My door was kicked in by a 17 year old in my very nice neighborhood. Lucky for him and for me, he did not come into my house. I explained to his parents that his so-called prank behavior would have gotten him shot if he had entered my house.

I'd feel safer if George Zimmerman lived in my neighborhood...he has a clue and he packs.

Excellent post. It sounds like you speak from true experience......

DougB 07-11-2013 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by TraceyMooreRN (Post 706667)
First, NOT GUILTY would be my vote.

Second, Why follow this kid? Well, he called 911 and said there was suspicious activity (or to that nature). He is a want to be cop (remember) so--he wants to catch the bad guys (or whom he thought was a bad guy). So follows. Was he scared? Nope (gun) on right hip. Not sure why if he is left handed. Clearly self defense. Yep- bit off more than he can chew and got in a situation which left a child dead.

Third, a friend posted on my facebook. Young woman (white) killed for tip money by three (african american men) charged. Did you know that? Did you hear that in the news? Is there a march? Any key speakers on her behalf? Was she profiled?? See link:

Woman killed for tip money, 2 men charged, 1 at
large - Post-Tribune

I just think this whole thing is sad. Sad someone (white/black or whatever
race) lost his life. Sorry for the loss to family. Sorry for the man who shot a child and has to live with this the rest of his life. Sad it has turned a country into a racial issue when clearly- with the "hoodie"- did he even know what race
"suspect" was when he started to follow him?
Why would there be marches and key speakers? Arrests were made. Sorry, I do not see the correlation between the two stories.

TraceyMooreRN 07-11-2013 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by DougB (Post 706708)
Why would there be marches and key speakers? Arrests were made. Sorry, I do not see the correlation between the two stories.

Maybe because three black men killed an innocent white woman? I don't know--maybe that is just as important as one man defending himself?

DougB 07-11-2013 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by TraceyMooreRN (Post 706726)
Maybe because three black men killed an innocent white woman? I don't know--maybe that is just as important as one man defending himself?
Sure, it is every bit as important. But in the case of Zimmerman it is self defense and people are taking sides depending on who they think was the aggressor. This is not the case with Jacqueline Gardner. Maybe I am missing the point of the comparison.

TraceyMooreRN 07-12-2013 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by DougB (Post 706732)
Sure, it is every bit as important. But in the case of Zimmerman it is self defense and people are taking sides depending on who they think was the aggressor. This is not the case with Jacqueline Gardner. Maybe I am missing the point of the comparison.
I guess it is heartbreaking that there was a life lost in both cases. One seems to get more attention (for whatever reason) and the other--not many are aware of in this community. However- most everyone is aware of Zimmerman Case. Yet- the outcome was the same. A life was taken...both should have equal coverage in at least the news media. :read:

graciegirl 07-12-2013 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by DougB (Post 706732)
Sure, it is every bit as important. But in the case of Zimmerman it is self defense and people are taking sides depending on who they think was the aggressor. This is not the case with Jacqueline Gardner. Maybe I am missing the point of the comparison.
Good point.

This case is an entirely different issue.

JP 07-12-2013 08:57 AM
Crime is crime. White on black...the end of the world. Black on black...ho hum. Black on white....yawn? It makes me sick there are these differences and I just can't stand the race baiters like Sharpton and The "Reverend" Jackson. People are people, victims are victims.

gomoho 07-12-2013 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by DougB (Post 706700)
Not only did the neighbors do nothing to stop the fight, but then one of them found it more important to take pictures of the scratches on the back of his head instead of administering care to a 17 year old teenager dying with his face in the grass. Thankful I don't live near any of them.
Not sure that is fair - you weren't there and can't judge other people's actions - only one Higher Being has that right.

Warren Kiefer 07-12-2013 09:16 AM
I agree "but"
 
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Originally Posted by senior citizen (Post 705966)
I agree. Time for closing arguments. I think the jury will acquit.
There is simply no evidence to support a murder charge. No one saw anything !!! What does concern me is the media's obsession with an agenda nearly pushing for riots. In todays Daily Sun is and article " police ready for riots ". I recall attending some classes years ago where there was a presentation. If a person is trying to walk a tightrope and a crown below the walker chants over and over "you are going to fall", guess what, the walker will usually fall. So here we have the media in a sense saying over and over " there's going to be riots", I can assure you that is exactly what will happen if Zimmerman is acquited>>>>>

BobnBev 07-12-2013 09:24 AM
TM
 
Just to set the record straight, TM was NOT a CHILD.
TM was a 17 y/o punk, who had a history of violence,
and numerous run in's with authorities.

Don't try to make him a good guy.barf:cus:

JP 07-12-2013 09:28 AM
This rioting stuff is ridiculous. I want to be part of a riot over court decisions I don't like where I feel there has been an injustice done to me. NOT! Maybe someday the people that riot will "learn to live with it" but I doubt it. Human emotions can be very fragile and volatile and hard to control.

tucson 07-12-2013 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by JP (Post 706891)
Crime is crime. White on black...the end of the world. Black on black...ho hum. Black on white....yawn? It makes me sick there are these differences and I just can't stand the race baiters like Sharpton and The "Reverend" Jackson. People are people, victims are victims.
Amen! My thoughts exactly! It also makes me sick to think that people have not changed and thousands of killings keep going on & on & on !!!

janmcn 07-12-2013 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by BobnBev (Post 706912)
Just to set the record straight, TM was NOT a CHILD.
TM was a 17 y/o punk, who had a history of violence,
and numerous run in's with authorities.

Don't try to make him a good guy.barf:cus:

According to Florida state law, anyone under the age of 18 years old is considered a child.


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