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Old 02-03-2015, 09:01 AM
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Google "Postville, Iowa" and read all about how a town was turned around after illegal immigrants were recruited for a Kosher packing plant - and what happened after they left.

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Just reading the short number of responses in this thread is going to make my head explode so I am opting out of it.
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Until you have worked directly with illegal workers and their childbearing wives and children, and speak and understand the language fluently, you really don't know how potent and real this central factor is in overloading public education funding, Medicaid funding, Social Security solvency, and Disability Medicare and SSI solvency, etc.
The children born in the United States to illegal alien mothers are often referred to as "anchor babies."

Under current practice, these children are U.S. citizens at birth, simply because they were born on U.S. soil. They are called anchor babies because, as U.S. citizens, they become eligible to sponsor for legal immigration most of their relatives, including their illegal alien mothers, when they turn 21 years of age, thus becoming the U.S. "anchor" for an extended immigrant family...."
Many unknowing people here are not looking at the societal costs of only one illegal adult working for low wages in a household of 3 to 12+ relatives who are either too young, too old, and too lacking in English language proficiency to work and earn and pay into FICA and all other income taxes.

Many are also turning a blind eye to the shrinking number of working taxpayers paying into Social Security and Medicare, as the number of recipients is growing exponentially. See:

http://pgpf.org/Chart-Archive/0004_worker-benefit-ratio

https://www.numbersusa.com/content/l...or-babies.html

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Illegal is illegal until such time as the laws are changed to reflect other wise.

Which is not likely to happen due to the very nature of the subject.

Hence it will be much easier to just continue what the USA has been doing to accomodate the illegal movement.......NO ENFORCEMENT of existing laws.

And yes this subject can be discussed without falling prey to those who insist on making it political.

And most of us are not at odds with the good that comes from the use and participation of illegals. We are at odds with the rampant lack of enforcement allowing the bad and the ugly to take advantage of the USA. Always shining the light on a good story does not make the wrong that is under way any more acceptable.
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Illegal is illegal until such time as the laws are changed to reflect other wise.

Which is not likely to happen due to the very nature of the subject.

Hence it will be much easier to just continue what the USA has been doing to accomodate the illegal movement.......NO ENFORCEMENT of existing laws.

And yes this subject can be discussed without falling prey to those who insist on making it political.

And most of us are not at odds with the good that comes from the use and participation of illegals. We are at odds with the rampant lack of enforcement allowing the bad and the ugly to take advantage of the USA. Always shining the light on a good story does not make the wrong that is under way any more acceptable.
Then perhaps you would like to post non partisan, hard statistical data to substantiate this claim. Otherwise it is simply an opinion and subject to speculation as to it's origin.
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Then perhaps you would like to post non partisan, hard statistical data to substantiate this claim. Otherwise it is simply an opinion and subject to speculation as to it's origin.
"Officials overseeing a federal program that offers an immigration short-cut to wealthy foreign investors have ignored pointed warnings from federal agents and approved visas for some immigrants suspected of having committed fraud, money laundering, and even one applicant with alleged ties to a child porn website, an ABC News investigation has found. The shortcomings prompted concerns within the Department of Homeland Security that the boutique immigration program would be exploited by terrorists, according to internal documents obtained by ABC News."

Whistleblowers: US Gave Visas to Suspected Forgers, Fraudsters, Criminals - ABC News

"More than 1,000 illegal immigrants released under federal “prosecutorial discretion” went on to commit a string of new crimes across the United States, according to Department of Homeland Security records. And that was in just one year.

The 38-page DHS report lists the new convictions for fiscal 2013, the latest year for which statistics were available. They include:

Assault with a deadly weapon
Terroristic threats
Failure to register as a sex offender
Lewd acts with a child under 14
Aggravated assault
Robbery
Hit-and-run
Criminal street gang
Rape spouse by force
Child cruelty: possible injury/death
“The Obama administration claims it is using ‘prosecutorial discretion’ to prioritize the removal of criminal aliens from this country. But this report shows the disturbing truth: 1,000 undocumented aliens previously convicted of crimes, and released by the administration in 2013, have gone on to commit further crimes in our communities,” said Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa."


Migrants committing more crimes at Obama

"This report details how the Obama Administration has carried out a policy of de facto amnesty for millions of illegal aliens through executive policy decisions. Since taking office in 2009, the Obama Administration has systematically gutted effective immigration enforcement policies, moved aggressively against state and local governments that attempt to enforce immigration laws, and stretched the concept of "prosecutorial discretion" to a point where it has rendered many immigration laws meaningless. Remarkably, the Administration has succeeded in doing all this with barely a peep of protest from Congress."

http://www.fairus.org/DocServer/Obam...ent_Report.pdf

"The Obama Administration's strategy is to count on the fact that the public and the media will not take notice of each individual and incremental step they are taking to undermine immigration enforcement and grant de facto amnesty to as many illegal aliens as possible. This report exposes the strategy and the policy objectives behind it."

President Obama

"The Administration's conscious effort to end policies that effectively enforce and deter illegal immigration. This includes the cessation of meaningful worksite enforcement against employers who hire illegal aliens and the removal of the illegal workers. It also includes ending effective partnership programs with state and local governments, such as the 287(g) program, that provide a structure through which state and local agencies may enforce immigration laws.

"Amnesty advocates argue that our immigration system is broken and can only be fixed by legalizing millions of illegal immigrants. But they ignore the real problem plaguing our system today: lack of enforcement of laws already on the books.

Immigration enforcement key to success: Column

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Then perhaps you would like to post non partisan, hard statistical data to substantiate this claim. Otherwise it is simply an opinion and subject to speculation as to it's origin.
I guess I am not sure how you can't believe what was stated. I would ask the reverse and ask you to show where enforcement has happened? Arizona did try, very well documented, and was forced by the federal government to stop enforcing the law.

I will provide you with a personally observed failure.

I was building a data center for a Federal agency. Every contractor hired had a clause in their contract that ALL employees had to be US citizens or have valid green card status. We were on site checking work progress one day. There were 137 workers on site that day.

The local police pulled in to introduce themselves to us. Two police cars, no lights, no sirens, just drove in the entrance and stopped. Did not even approach the building, just the construction trailer. There were 64 workers who actually fled the property leaving just 73 remaining. Almost 50%. Needless to say nothing was done. The cops just laughed about it. The only outcome was we had to put a process in place to validate every worker entering the site every day. The contractor was fired, but appealed and was returned to the job by the federal agency we were building this center for. And you don't even want to know which federal agency this was. I was ashamed of our government.
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