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collie1228 08-12-2019 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 1672256)
What is interesting is that the prominent people poopooing a conspiracy are the most likely conspirators.

You know, I had exactly the same thought. And the media loves to quote them all.

ColdNoMore 08-12-2019 07:49 AM

Some people love conspiracies. :oops:

In fact, there are groups all around the globe that still think...the earth is flat.





:D

OrangeBlossomBaby 08-12-2019 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1672533)
Some people love conspiracies. :oops:

In fact, there are groups all around the globe that still think...the earth is flat.


:D

I have no theory, conspiracy or otherwise. I do have questions:

1) why was he taken off suicide watch?
2) why was he under-guarded, especially since he had just been taken off suicide watch? You'd think they'd have at least -some- precautions, instead of what they claim to be overworked, understaffed, extra-shift guards. Maybe they should have had normal shift guys watching this particular set of cells.
3) were there tapes of him doing this? There were cameras there, afterall. If there were tapes, what do they show? If the cameras weren't functioning properly, why, especially considering that this guy had just been taken off suicide watch? Again - you'd think -some- precautions would be in order here, even if not extra ones.

Facts - not theory:

1. there are definitely people who stood to gain by Epstein being unable to testify.
2. only the current administration's Dept. of Justice has oversight over Epstein's custody and prosecution, and the jail falls under the jurisdiction of the DoJ.
3. the AG had a personal relationship with Epstein, however close or distant, and when that happens, typically the AG would need to recuse himself from the investigation.
4. the AG has not mentioned whether he would recuse himself or not, so no conclusions can be made about his bias, yet.

Whether the DoJ played an active role in his death or not, we may never know. But there are a lot of questions that need answers, and if those questions are set aside and not allowed to be persued, that will allow the public to jump to a lot more conclusions than if a full and open transparent investigation ever will.

I'd rather see actual truth and facts, than conspiracies.

manaboutown 08-12-2019 09:19 AM

I just read there are nine cameras in the facility in the main areas but none in his cell. None appear to show anything related to his "suicide" death. Very, very interesting...No guard, no video. The guards were to check him every 30 minutes but strangely that did not happen that particular night.

OrangeBlossomBaby 08-12-2019 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 1672572)
I just read there are nine cameras in the facility in the main areas but none in his cell. None appear to show anything related to his "suicide" death. Very, very interesting...No guard, no video. The guards were to check him every 30 minutes but strangely that did not happen that particular night.

This is another one of those "why" things. Okay so if there aren't usually cameras on individual cells, then none on his cell would not be out of the ordinary.

The guard thing - that cannot be excused by "understaffed and overworked." A man in jail specifically because he might know something that could implicate incredibly powerful people - including elected officials of our government - NOT being under constant watch due to "overworked and understaffed" guards - no. Not buying it.

SOMETHING is going on. And it is absolutely strange. What, exactly, is going on? That remains to be seen.

But it is definitely important to remember at all times, that whatever happened, it happened under the watch of the current Department of Justice. Whether or not they had an active involvement in it - the buck stops with them.

manaboutown 08-12-2019 09:29 AM

Apparently his cellmate was transferred out just before his death....

Too many factors enabling his death to occur simultaneously came together to be a coincidence IMHO.

Now who had the most to lose if he testified and the most to gain if he died and could not testify?

KeithDB 08-12-2019 09:42 AM

If only we could figure out who is in charge of the Federal prisons . . .

BobnBev 08-12-2019 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Jazuela (Post 1672569)
I have no theory, conspiracy or otherwise. I do have questions:

1) why was he taken off suicide watch?
2) why was he under-guarded, especially since he had just been taken off suicide watch? You'd think they'd have at least -some- precautions, instead of what they claim to be overworked, understaffed, extra-shift guards. Maybe they should have had normal shift guys watching this particular set of cells.
3) were there tapes of him doing this? There were cameras there, afterall. If there were tapes, what do they show? If the cameras weren't functioning properly, why, especially considering that this guy had just been taken off suicide watch? Again - you'd think -some- precautions would be in order here, even if not extra ones.

Facts - not theory:

1. there are definitely people who stood to gain by Epstein being unable to testify.
2. only the current administration's Dept. of Justice has oversight over Epstein's custody and prosecution, and the jail falls under the jurisdiction of the DoJ.
3. the AG had a personal relationship with Epstein, however close or distant, and when that happens, typically the AG would need to recuse himself from the investigation.
4. the AG has not mentioned whether he would recuse himself or not, so no conclusions can be made about his bias, yet.

Whether the DoJ played an active role in his death or not, we may never know. But there are a lot of questions that need answers, and if those questions are set aside and not allowed to be persued, that will allow the public to jump to a lot more conclusions than if a full and open transparent investigation ever will.

I'd rather see actual truth and facts, than conspiracies.



Sadly, you never will.

Madelaine Amee 08-12-2019 01:05 PM

Ghislaine Maxwell

I believe I heard on the news that Ghislaine Maxwell has been named Epstien's co-conspirator ........ What a surprise she has disappeared and no one knows where she is! She is the daughter of Robert Maxwell, British Publishing mogul who supposedly committed suicide off his yacht in the Atlantic after being found guilty of robbing his own companies and his employees retirement funds.

Birds of a feather etc. etc. :ohdear:

Taltarzac725 08-12-2019 03:12 PM

Still do not get how he hung himself? I had a nervous breakdown in late March-April of 2000 in Palm Harbor, FL at home and was watched constantly unless sedated in the hospital and then in mental health facility they took any kind of thing that could be used to hurt ourselves or others way. Nothing could be used to hang yourself that I recall was available to us.

I have been pretty solid since that happened though. And had no problems before that.

I did lose it for a few hours but did nothing but talk and scream but did hit a nurse when a group was putting me under. I really wanted to be heard.

manaboutown 08-12-2019 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Madelaine Amee (Post 1672665)
Ghislaine Maxwell

I believe I heard on the news that Ghislaine Maxwell has been named Epstien's co-conspirator ........ What a surprise she has disappeared and no one knows where she is! She is the daughter of Robert Maxwell, British Publishing mogul who supposedly committed suicide off his yacht in the Atlantic after being found guilty of robbing his own companies and his employees retirement funds.

Birds of a feather etc. etc. :ohdear:

As I understand it she was a long time major procurer of underage girls for his misadventures.

Nucky 08-12-2019 05:15 PM

It's $$$ All About The Benjamin's $$$. Those poor children. I hope someway they get the help they need to live the best life they can after such a horrendous start.

Each time they find this person guilty of abusing another child they should kill him again, *******. There is so much evil & sickness going on in our world. I worry for all of our Grandchildren.

Bucco 08-13-2019 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Nucky (Post 1672784)
It's $$$ All About The Benjamin's $$$. Those poor children. I hope someway they get the help they need to live the best life they can after such a horrendous start.

Each time they find this person guilty of abusing another child they should kill him again, *******. There is so much evil & sickness going on in our world. I worry for all of our Grandchildren.

Yep, and it was not just the young folks who were forever hurt. He scammed folks who invested with him also.

Those who helped him get away with all he did, hopefully, will be "outed' and pay the price

"At the beginning, middle and end of his career, Jeffrey Epstein faced a reckoning with his misdeeds. At every stage, he managed to avoid the efforts of prosecutors and victims to confront him with his financial chicanery and sexual abuses. On Saturday, he apparently chose to end his life rather than face what he had done."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...cce_story.html

Barefoot 08-13-2019 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jazuela (Post 1672569)
I have no theory, conspiracy or otherwise. I do have questions:

1) why was he taken off suicide watch?
2) why was he under-guarded, especially since he had just been taken off suicide watch? You'd think they'd have at least -some- precautions, instead of what they claim to be overworked, understaffed, extra-shift guards. Maybe they should have had normal shift guys watching this particular set of cells.
3) were there tapes of him doing this? There were cameras there, afterall. If there were tapes, what do they show? If the cameras weren't functioning properly, why, especially considering that this guy had just been taken off suicide watch? Again - you'd think -some- precautions would be in order here, even if not extra ones.

Facts - not theory:

1. there are definitely people who stood to gain by Epstein being unable to testify.
2. only the current administration's Dept. of Justice has oversight over Epstein's custody and prosecution, and the jail falls under the jurisdiction of the DoJ.
3. the AG had a personal relationship with Epstein, however close or distant, and when that happens, typically the AG would need to recuse himself from the investigation.
4. the AG has not mentioned whether he would recuse himself or not, so no conclusions can be made about his bias, yet.

Whether the DoJ played an active role in his death or not, we may never know. But there are a lot of questions that need answers, and if those questions are set aside and not allowed to be persued, that will allow the public to jump to a lot more conclusions than if a full and open transparent investigation ever will.

I'd rather see actual truth and facts, than conspiracies.

I agree with BobnBev. It's sad, but I don't think we will ever know the full truth.

manaboutown 08-13-2019 01:52 PM

Looks like his two primary corporate lawyers are lawyering up with criminal defense lawyers - and the beat goes on...

Mike123 08-15-2019 08:54 AM

So much for suicide lets not be gullible!
 
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Originally Posted by alwann (Post 1671965)
So much for suicide watch. Show me the body. Maybe it's a ruse and he escaped, with a little help from his friends. Or maybe he was "offed" by people involved in his crimes. The tabloid will have a field day with this one.

If you believe he committed suicide I will sell you a bridge!

Chi-Town 08-15-2019 09:53 AM

Autopsy shows that he either hung himself or was strangled to death.

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New Englander 08-15-2019 10:11 AM

I don't know what really happened, but this guy was a very high profile inmate and already tried to kill himself. He's taken off suicide watch and his jailers fall asleep.
Smells very fishy to me.

bagboy 08-15-2019 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by collie1228 (Post 1672217)
No matter what you think of this pervert or the case in general, you can't deny that people rightly think the whole situation is fishy. Getting the FBI involved should shine some light on it. At the very least there was tremendous negligence involved by prison guards and officials.

The same FBI that took 5 weeks to "raid" pedophile island?

Barefoot 08-15-2019 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BobnBev (Post 1672225)
For all the goods the FBI is going to uncover, they might as well use Community Watch.

That is hilarious, but you're probably right. :1rotfl:
There is lots of money involved.

manaboutown 08-29-2019 08:38 AM

Well, well, well, now it is reported the two video cameras outside Epstein's cell are faulty. The FBI lab is going to examine them. The plot thickens?

ColdNoMore 08-29-2019 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 1676938)
Well, well, well, now it is reported the two video cameras outside Epstein's cell are faulty. The FBI lab is going to examine them. The plot thickens?

I'm usually the first to laugh out loud, when total nutcase conspiracy theories...are pushed by the outer-fringe newspaper's/website's. :oops:

Except when it results in the easily led/low IQ, taking it seriously and harming (or trying to harm) other human beings...based primarily on these idiotic/pathetic conspiracies (pizza anyone?). :(


In the Epstein case however, there are just way too many 'coincidence's'...that seem to point to it not being suicide.

Now the big question to answer of course..is who (or multiple who's)... might have been behind it?

I'm thinking the key is to find the 'little black book'...or its cyber equivalent.

Topspinmo 08-29-2019 11:18 AM

His influential friends in high places throw him under the bus, next will be drug over doses of those making actuations.


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