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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2380463)

Heck, I would be good with people just picking up their trash.

That's a good first step. Now expand it to get companies to "pick up" all their trash, clean up all their polution. Clean up the production processes and the products themselves. Hey, it can happen.

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2379281)

Yet I have no doubt that the indoctrinated, gullible and true believers in global warming will not be convinced. I can almost hear them racing to their keyboards as I type :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Oh I definitely agree with you on that! Here is the thing.. We can not control global changes is temperature or storm activity. Let’s concentrate on keeping the air we breath as clean as possible and stop all this Climate Change crap.

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Originally Posted by JRcorvette (Post 2380507)

And I agree with you, except it ain't crap. We don't [control lthe weather, but we do influence it.

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2380537)

And I agree with you, except it ain't crap. We don't [control lthe weather, but we do influence it.

Yes, but to what extent????

That is the $168 TRILLION question

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2380559)

Yes, but to what extent????

That is the $168 TRILLION question

To a greater extent than many want to believe. And every increase in the world population is another "straw" on the "camel's" already broken back.
And, last I heard on here, it was a mere $93 trillion. But, why quible, it's only money, right? 😄🤭😊

And, is it too soon to say "welcome home!"?

Nations make their own policies based on their own interests. The Paris Accords are essentially meaningless. While we have higher per capita CO2 emissions than China and India, that only means that we have a much higher standard of living and they will be catching up to us (i.e. their per capita emissions will increase while ours are flat or possibly decreasing). As nearly 3 billion Chinese and Indians continue to increase their standard of living, they will continue to be the long poles in the tent. The US can put whatever national policies in place that the current administration and Congress choose but as a nation we will continue to be largely irrelevant when it comes to global CO2 emissions. Choosing national policies that put us at a global disadvantage compared to other nations while we have a marginal impact on global CO2 emissions is questionable. The US has already done a good job of turning the curve down.

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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 2380166)

It really is not fair to look at CO2 per nation as some nations have a whole lot more people than the USA. A fair comparison would be how much CO2 does each person in that nation produce, or tonnes per capita production:

China 6.18
India 1.64
USA 17.5

So each American produced triple that of one in China and 10x that in India. In fact we have the worst, highest, CO2 per person of any developed country

So whatever all those other countries are doing is making each nation more CO2 responsible than each of us.

China is still burning too much coal but has stopped issuing any new permits. It also has invested heavily in clean energy.. you know all those solar panels they make. Additionally a lot of Chinese manufacturing which produces CO2 is making stuff for us.

Which gets back to the assertion that because we "only" make 15% of the pollution what we do is unimportant. Every step in the right direction helps. Just like more fuel efficient cars, water efficient showers, LED lights instead of incandescent (remember all the screaming by some about how we needed to keep our old light bulbs), every act of kindness or charity. Every step helps so why would anyone fight it? But people do.

There is a high probability that the anthropogenic increase in the global mean surface temperature anomaly is about 1C. That is a large number over a short time scale. The current CO2 concentration is about 420 ppm and that may grow to 600 ppm by the end of the century. CO2 impacts the long wave radiation budget of the atmosphere and causes stratospheric cooling and lower tropospheric warming. There can also be positive feedbacks to further the warming. There is a high probability that it will increase to 2-3C by the end of the century. Remember, while we are in an interglacial period, the time scale of concern is about 200 years and this is well below the time scale of the natural climate forcing from the Milankovitch cycles. Unfortunately, that will cause issues in coastal regions, along with subsidence of some coastal plains. Some geopolitical unrest is likely as some areas of the world are negatively impacted more than others. And, contrary to what some people are fond of suggesting, the world will not be ending as we will do what humans have always done; adapt. If you are looking for references, AR6 is a good place to start.

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Originally Posted by JRcorvette (Post 2380507)

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Originally Posted by hypart (Post 2379724)

Sure, there is. Humans can get their energy from Nuclear and renewable sources rather than fossil fuels. Also, planting more trees will help. It's not hard or complicated.

The problem is the oil and coal industries are fighting like hell to keep it from happening by spreading misinformation. And so much of that misinformation is spread in posts like these.

I agree this post has lot of misinformation :shrug:

We humans could stop this problems tomorrow cause we are the problem. How? self eliminating—our habits. But, we are takers not givers. Greed over rules all good deeds.

I love global warming! The reason I moved to Florida was because of the warm weather. Once the climate in the mountains up North warms up consistently, I'll move back to the mountains. Unfortunately, temperatures are not rising fast enough for me to enjoy before my expiration date. Since man can change the temps, how about you all try slowing the Earth's spin so I can enjoy more sunlight?