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BrianL99 06-24-2025 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ithos (Post 2440449)


Also here is how the Karen Read team found out who murdered him.
—just hours after Karen Read was arraigned—her attorney David Yannetti received an anonymous tip from someone claiming a law-enforcement background. The caller said that Brian Albert, his nephew Colin, and an unnamed federal agent had beaten Officer John O’Keefe to death inside the house and then dragged his body outside to the lawn
nypost.com
That caller turned out to be Steven Scanlon, a local private investigator. Although he later recanted parts of his story, Yannetti noted that “photos of O’Keefe hadn’t been released at the time of the first call. And other details lined up,” lending the tip some credibility
boston.com
Subsequently, Yannetti’s defense team expanded this narrative, naming Brian Albert, Colin Albert, and ATF agent Brian Higgins (not a DEA agent) as possible third-party perpetrators through what’s known as a “third-party culprit” defense

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Originally Posted by ithos (Post 2440553)

I believe that if Proctor hadn't foolishly busted the tail light at the sally port and then planted the pieces in the front yard the verdict may have been different. This is because the defense had absolute proof that Karens tail light was illuminated and the red lens not completely smashed well after the alledged time of o'keefes death.

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Originally Posted by mikreb (Post 2441039)
Colin Albert did it. McAlberts would not protect Higgins, but they expected him to protect them. They texted Higgins after the incident because Higgins went dark and they thought he was talking. Ally McAbe said in the first trial "Colin wasn't in the house when John was." So John was in the house. They were covering for Colin. Colin had bruised knuckles. Garage had red stains.


It's ridiculous that the Commonwealth of MA spent somewhere around $4,000,000 and Read spent even more ... when they both could have come right here to TOTV and learned the real facts.

Waste of time and money.

KAM+6 06-24-2025 02:03 PM

Karen Read is a insanely jealous DRUNK. Her relationship with John was coming to an end. Evidence shows they had been fighting for over a month because he hugged a family friend at a hotel lobby. On the night in question, she has 9 double shots, on video and receipts. She was driving back to after hour get together. They pulled to front of house and she slowly pulled to far left of property line, arguing as they had done that day according to texts. Evidence of her black box and GPS from Johns phone shows John exited her car , air bag disengaged. She went forward 34', slammed it in reverse 84' . She clipped john , he was thrown 10' up the lawn. She took off with A broken taillight, Microscopic taillight shards were later found by forensic specialists. She called him 54 times started minutes after hitting him. Every call pinged at flagpole area, his phone, found under him, thermostat continues to go 20 degrees lower until after he was found.
She calls to john were angry ,profanity F bomb screaming. She made several calls to her parents at 1am, last text was "John's dead" long be for he was found.
She then calls two of John friends and said she left him at the bar, Jen said ,"no I saw you outside my sisters house. Then she told Kerry "john got hit by a plow"
The 3 went in Kerry car to look for John. Karen insisted on returning to Fairview. When they approach the far left property line, in pitch dark, howling blizzard, Karen started screaming and kicking the door to get out. She ran to a large figure buried in 6 inches of snow which was John. Jen called 911 and Jen and Kerry did CPR until ambulance arrived.

Karen's lawyer said at her arraignment that it was an "unintentional accident" .
Next came the trial in "social media" by bloggers in for the clicks. Karen was the instigator along with blogger to harrass and Intimate witnesses and even their children.
Alan Jackson, big time LA lawyer, Harvey Weinstein, Kevin Spacy, and Phil Spector joined the defence.
Blame the police, the instigation and harrass the witnesses. Put out FALSE information and accuse innocent people.
FBI did thorough investigation and found only Karen responsible for Johns death. NO one else.

KAM+6 06-24-2025 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by mikreb (Post 2440136)
The McAlbert's kept saying O'Keefe was their good friend, but not one of them went to his funeral.

ALL the Alberts and McCabes attended the funeral.

KAM+6 06-24-2025 02:44 PM

Colin Albert left the house at 12:10, confirmed by his phone text and GPS. Also by his cousin that picked him up,her phone and text. Karen left the bar video surveillance at 12:12 arriving at house at 12:24.

That didn't stop bloggers from spuing face information. Defense never call Steve Scanlon and he denied he gave Yannetti that information, however Yannetti leaked it to the blogger and Toilet boy ran with it.
Colin was a 17 yr ,140# kid. John was a well built 6'1" 216# .
The motive Yannetti gave was that Colin crossed johns lawn when he was 10.
There were 9 people in the house at 12:24, two were 23 yr girls, one a nurse unrelated. The were driven home by the McCabes. Do you think that those girls parents would tell then to lie to the police, lie to a federal grand jury and lie under oath in court??? And be accessory to murder.??

4 medical examiners testified john was not in a physical altercation. Defense claimed superficial abrations, stated by medical examiners were dog bites. There wasNO dog DNA, NO lower teeth marks and not one dog HAIRS.

KAM+6 06-24-2025 02:59 PM

Taillight pieces were found at the scene buried under plow snowbank, 3 feet before SUV arrived at heated police garage. It was in possession of her parents who removed it from johns house.
Earlier at8:2am police did a wellness check on children and dash cam shows Karen SUV with broken taillight. Driveway, SUV and house covered with foot of snow. No footprints or tire marks . Nobody was near that property. NOBODY planted anything. Also found at the scene was John sneaker , hat and glass, straw. He is on video leaving bar with glass straw in hand. KAREN killed John and left him to die in the Blizzard.

KAM+6 06-24-2025 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ithos (Post 2440269)
Two of the jurors have spoken in interviews. They both believe that Karen Read is innocent as well as not guilty.

This is fortunate for Karen Read since the O'Keefe family plans to file a lawsuit against her and the restaurant that served her drinks.

I hope that the FBI will followup and not only find the true murderers but also investigate the corruption in the state and city police starting with sabotage of the sally port videos and the willful negligence to conduct any interviews of people present at the house that night.

The FBI did a thorough investigation and only Karen was responsible. There was no "sabotage" of sally port videos. They are motion detection, no missing footage. All the people in the house were interviewed. You are quoting a dirty blogger that has 18 felony charges pending trial.

KAM+6 06-24-2025 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ithos (Post 2440553)
After two trials, I think the lawyers will be able to present an air tight case for Karen Read in the civil case. She had some damn good lawyers https://youtu.be/YuiI37P4dgY
But stupid people do make it on juries so injustice might prevail again.

I believe that if Proctor hadn't foolishly busted the tail light at the sally port and then planted the pieces in the front yard the verdict may have been different. This is because the defense had absolute proof that Karens tail light was illuminated and the red lens not completely smashed well after the alledged time of o'keefes death.

Defense took one frame but if you see where she puts the brake on you can see the broken taillight compared to the left taillight, its clearly missing. Also, the 820 am wellness check on children. Twilight pieces were found by forensic SERT team, with police watching and news crew filming.
Just the fact that you use the word McAlberts, shows you get your false information from Turdboy, who has 18 felony charges pending his trial. Karen killed john and left him to die in the Blizzard. First she said she left him at the bar,left a message "nobody knows where the F you are. then she said a plow must have hit him then her lawyer said at her arraignment a nd to the press, " it was an uintentional accident ". Then it was Colin. Allie NEVER said John was in the house. She picked up Colin at 12:10 confirmed by phone a d GPS. Karen arrived outside at 12:24 confirmed by GPS a d phone. Her black box shows John exited her car, air bag disengaged, and she pulled forward 34', slammed it in reverse and john dies in 17 seconds. His phone never moved again until after he was found hours later. She called him 54 times during those hours and his phone pinged every time at flagpole area.

BrianL99 06-24-2025 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by KAM+6 (Post 2441156)
Karen Read is a insanely jealous DRUNK.

FBI did thorough investigation and found only Karen responsible for Johns death. NO one else.


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Originally Posted by KAM+6 (Post 2441161)
4 medical examiners testified john was not in a physical altercation. Defense claimed superficial abrations, stated by medical examiners were dog bites. There wasNO dog DNA, NO lower teeth marks and not one dog HAIRS.

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Originally Posted by KAM+6 (Post 2441162)
KAREN killed John and left him to die in the Blizzard.

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Originally Posted by KAM+6 (Post 2441163)
The FBI did a thorough investigation and only Karen was responsible.

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Originally Posted by KAM+6 (Post 2441170)
Karen killed john and left him to die in the Blizzard.

You could probably say it another 50 times and the fact remains, the 12 jurors who were tasked with separating fact & truth from nonsense, disagree with you ... as does the Judge, who refused to issue a directed verdict and opted to rely on 12 impartial jurors to decide.

ithos 06-24-2025 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JRcorvette (Post 2441094)
Jury found her not guilty…. So that’s it.

I wish it was. She has a civil suit to contend with. Then It will be imperative that she proves herself innocent. Fortunately based on jury feedback her lawyers can convincingly meet that standard.

BrianL99 06-24-2025 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ithos (Post 2441179)
I wish it was. She has a civil suit to contend with. Then It will be imperative that she proves herself innocent. Fortunately based on jury feedback her lawyers can convincingly meet that standard.


NO. The burden of proof in the Civil action, is firmly in the hands of the Plaintiff. Karen Read doesn't have to prove or disprove, anything.

ithos 06-24-2025 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2441112)
It's ridiculous that the Commonwealth of MA spent somewhere around $4,000,000 and Read spent even more ... when they both could have come right here to TOTV and learned the real facts.

Waste of time and money.

In response to your snarky comment, I will simply say that I was inclined to assume she was guilty. I normally don't get sucked in to watching trials on TV(last one was OJ) but this case had so many intriguing elements to it that I got sucked in.

Eg_cruz 06-24-2025 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ithos (Post 2439961)
One of the most controlversial trials in decades. If she was innocent then there is a fair amount of police corruption in MA. Multiple state police officers were punished. It was so egregious that the FBI was involved.

There were approximately 3000 people outside the courthouse when the verdict was read.
To me the evidence is overwhelming that she is INNOCENT but many believe she was guilty.
Karen Read cleared of murdering her Boston cop boyfriend sparking wild cheering outside court | The Independent

After reading and watching
I don’t think she killed him. I think there was a fight at the home and he most likely left but fell or passed out in the snow. How else can one explain the dog bites and scratches on his arm. The swollen eyes and blunt force trauma to the back of his head.
I don’t think it was meant to be a frame job. I don’t think the people I the house knew he was laying in the snow until Karen called and told them he was missing.

Eg_cruz 06-24-2025 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by oneclickplus (Post 2440207)
She and John were both drunk. She dropped him off at a house party. Then she went to HIS house waiting for him to call or come home (she was with his kids). She tried to call him several times but no answer. Those at the house party say he never arrived. That is to say he never came to the front door. Snow storm in progress with a lot of snow / ice on the ground. Drunk man slipped and fell. Either he was unconscious or he fell asleep in the snow. Death came as a result. There is no fault here (other than his own). Yes, she was angry with him for not coming home and leaving her with HIS kids. That is not the behavior of someone who is guilty. Tragic accident? Maybe. But, more likely, he is responsible for his own death.

Civil suit to follow. If she is found liable, she can just file for bankruptcy and forget about it. Time for her to liquidate her assets now in anticipation before there is a court order to prevent same.

My take: she is innocent. But the family can't accept the possibility that there is no one to blame (except John). So, they will sue "because they can".

Except his body was beat up. Had dog bites all over his arm, blunt force hit on the back of his head, and swollen eyes and beat up face. He would not have gotten those if had just passed out in the snow

BrianL99 06-24-2025 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ithos (Post 2441183)
In response to your snarky comment, I will simply say that I was inclined to assume she was guilty. I normally don't get sucked in to watching trials on TV(last one was OJ) but this case had so many intriguing elements to it that I got sucked in.

I live in Boston. The Karen Read trial has dominated local news, for over a year. The 2nd Trial received wall-to-wall coverage and analysis, every day. Coverage didn't end until 8 pm, on most local TV stations.

12 reasonably intelligent, unbiased people, found her Not Guilty. She's been on trial twice.

It boggles my mind, that folks can come on here, re-hash selective facts and events that support their opinion and then proclaim Karen Read is a murderer.

Just for the record, we in Boston were bombarded with this. Experts up the ying yang. I have not seen a single "expert" opine that the jury screwed up or was wrong. As a matter of fact, I never heard even one expert, predict Read would be convicted. The facts clearly didn't warrant a finding of Guilty ... twice.

ithos 06-24-2025 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2441181)
NO. The burden of proof in the Civil action, is firmly in the hands of the Plaintiff. Karen Read doesn't have to prove or disprove, anything.

I did not intend to say that. But I believe that most of the evidence and research that her lawyers will need were discovered or revealed in the criminal case.


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