[themartianchick]

Originally Posted by ficoguy

Sweden has developed herd immunity.

That is a claim that Sweden has made but it doesn't really fit with the science. There is no proof that having had the COVID-19 virus actually makes you immune to getting it again as a full-blown (or even asymptomatic) illness. There have been some people in other countries who have gotten it a second time. They are just as contagious the 2nd time around and can spread it to others, especially if they don't take precautions and re-quarantine.

[M2inOR]

There are English news sources that have alternate news:

On YouTube there are live and recorded news stations: BBC, France 24 Live, DW English (Germany), Singapore, Australia, New Zealand, and CBC/CTV (Canada) to name a few. Most are free.

Not only covering their own countries, but also their perspective of what conditions are in reports on other countries.

Just takes time and effort. No one source covers all aspects.

[npwalters]

Originally Posted by themartianchick

That is a claim that Sweden has made but it doesn't really fit with the science. There is no proof that having had the COVID-19 virus actually makes you immune to getting it again as a full-blown (or even asymptomatic) illness. There have been some people in other countries who have gotten it a second time. They are just as contagious the 2nd time around and can spread it to others, especially if they don't take precautions and re-quarantine.

The science actually suggests that some people recovered and then showed symptoms again. Here is a piece from US Health and there are several other valid sources.

South Korea recently reported that a significant number of people with COVID-19Trusted Source have tested positive, then tested negative, only to test positive and experience symptoms, like fever, cough, sore throat, and fatigue, again.

Health officials in South Korea say it’s unlikely these patients got reinfected with COVID-19 a second time since they’re testing positive for a second time so soon, but rather that some people with COVID-19 may be experiencing a viral reactivation.

Health experts in the United States don’t think a reactivation of COVID-19 is likely since we’ve never observed viral reactivation in other coronaviruses.

It could very well be that the virus never left their system. It lingered, and they were never fully cured of the disease, and that’s what the subsequent COVID-19 tests are catching.

The World Health Organization (WHO) says we don’t have enough evidence to understand if and why some people may experience reactivation after recovery.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus

Thanks Bogie. I read all four of them and none discuss the after effect of lifting their restrictions. Strange that they don't and stranger still that we as Americans citizens are not trying to find out.

you want to know what’s going on around the world , get off the internet for a while read the South China Morning Post , the London times or Mirror , the Jerusalem Post anyone of the different newspapers in Africa or South America you don’t have to read ever line, but you’ll get a better vision of the whole world , not just about the virus but about everything and you will find many different views that allow youn to form your own views I’ve always been amazed if it’s on the internet it’s true if it’s in the paper it’s fake . Journalists die all over the world for speaking the truth , while many of the so called internet reporters endanger them selves by consuming to much Red Bull and Twinkie’s in there mom’s garage

[LiverpoolWalrus]

Update: Five new cases in Wuhan, the city of about 11M people where the virus originated, according to yesterday's Reuters report. Only five cases after lifting the lockdown about a month ago - an isolated cluster at that. Zero would be better, but five doesn't seem nearly as bad as a lot of people here are expecting.

Excerpt: "BEIJING (Reuters) - Wuhan reported its first cluster of coronavirus infections since a lockdown on the city, the epicentre of the outbreak in China, was lifted a month ago, stoking concerns of a wider resurgence. The five new confirmed cases, all from the same residential compound, come amid efforts to ease restrictions across China as businesses restart and individuals get back to work...New confirmed cases reported in China since April have been low compared with the thousands every day in February."

China's Wuhan reports first coronavirus cluster since lockdown lifted - Reuters

It's not clear if this is the first instance of *any* new cases since the end of the lockdown, or if this is the first instance of a "cluster."

South Korea seemed to be doing fairly well after lifting the restrictions until that one nightclub patron spread the virus to 86 other people.

South Korea Delays School Reopeningas New Coronavirus Cases Rise

[LiverpoolWalrus]

Denmark might be onto something, according to their top infectious disease specialist. Thanks GoodLife.

Second coronavirus wave unlikely in Denmark: top expert

[600th Photo Sq]

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus

With all the hand-wringing going on fearing the worst after we reopen the economy, it seems to me it could be beneficial to focus like a laser beam on the experience of other countries. China, Singapore, Taiwan, South Korea, Italy and Spain have all locked down. They were hit hard but eventually lifted their restrictions, or are in the process of doing so now.

I would think the media would report on how those countries are doing, but I'm not hearing or reading much of anything and there's very little information about this on the internet, that I've been able to find anyway. Our outcome should be similar to theirs, so where is the curiosity about how they're doing? We can learn a lot from these countries, and perhaps mitigate our fears...or substantiate them if lifting the restrictions is backfiring.

The media give the people what they want, so my guess is the American populace doesn't care too much about how the other hard hit countries have fared. Perhaps we would rather just worry and assume the worst?

Unlike for example the United Kingdom, they have various newspapers who favor the Conservatives or Labor parties. Mirror, Telegraph, Daily Mail, Guardian etc.

However, they pretty much are in agreement on their reporting and tell the truth regarding Covid 19.

Unfortunately not so much here the media have an agenda, plain and simple are not truthful in their reporting of Covid 19.

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by themartianchick

That is a claim that Sweden has made but it doesn't really fit with the science. There is no proof that having had the COVID-19 virus actually makes you immune to getting it again as a full-blown (or even asymptomatic) illness. There have been some people in other countries who have gotten it a second time. They are just as contagious the 2nd time around and can spread it to others, especially if they don't take precautions and re-quarantine.

You must have missed this comment I made recently:

1. Virtually everyone who recovers from the disease produces antibodies within 3 weeks and epidemiologists are confident this will provide immunity from the disease (time undetermined at this point) In the SARS epidemic, also a coronavirus, recovered patients were found to have an average of 2 years immunity. We only have a few months experience with covid 19 but these scientists found that 99.5% of all recovered patients developed antibodies.

After Recovery From the Coronavirus, Most People Carry Antibodies - The New York Times

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2. Another part of the same study found that the “reinfected” patients in Asia probably weren’t reinfected at all. People who were still testing positive weeks after recovery likely didn’t have any live virus left in their system; what was being picked up in testing were the remnants of dead virus whose genome was still present. Researchers in South Korea who conducted a separate study came to that conclusion as well

[billethkid]

Let us all hope and pray that common sense prevails if and or when there is any increase of new cases.

The shutting down again of all America is not the answer. As cruel as it may come across there will have to be a level of acceptance of the levels of infection just as there is for the flu, many other life threatening causes.....including death by driving.

What we have going for us now is the medical community has had a major wake up call and should be more prepared. (let us pray).

[LiverpoolWalrus]

Originally Posted by billethkid

As cruel as it may come across there will have to be a level of acceptance of the levels of infection just as there is for the flu, many other life threatening causes.....including death by driving.

You hit the nail on the head with that one statement right there. That is the purple elephant in the room most are afraid to acknowledge. Nobody wants this reality and our leaders certainly cannot verbally admit this. It's cruel but it's reality.

[LiverpoolWalrus]

I'll continue to post reports as I come across them and welcome anyone else to do the same.

Seems there's been a resurgence in Iran unfortunately, partly attributed to crowded subways and a failure to maintain distance and wear masks.

Iran Sees New Surge in Virus Cases After Reopening Country - The New York Times

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus

With all the hand-wringing going on fearing the worst after we reopen the economy, it seems to me it could be beneficial to focus like a laser beam on the experience of other countries. China, Singapore, Taiwan, South Korea, Italy and Spain have all locked down. They were hit hard but eventually lifted their restrictions, or are in the process of doing so now.

I would think the media would report on how those countries are doing, but I'm not hearing or reading much of anything and there's very little information about this on the internet, that I've been able to find anyway. Our outcome should be similar to theirs, so where is the curiosity about how they're doing? We can learn a lot from these countries, and perhaps mitigate our fears...or substantiate them if lifting the restrictions is backfiring.

The media give the people what they want, so my guess is the American populace doesn't care too much about how the other hard hit countries have fared. Perhaps we would rather just worry and assume the worst?

Our daughter and son in law are still sheltering in place in London. She said they are rule followers over there. She is glad we are taking it seriously.

[JimJohnson]

Easy.
Follow the advice and instructions of the medical community and you will Live.
Follow the advice of so called political leaders and you will die.

[mulligan]

But seriously, all those news sources from the source that was hidden for months. How much can you trust information that comes from people that eat dinner with sticks.
???

[tvbound]

Originally Posted by JimJohnson

Easy.
Follow the advice and instructions of the medical community and you will Live.
Follow the advice of so called political leaders and you will die.

Rely on science, from trained scientists, instead of hunches from celebrities? Where's the adventure and chance of being seen as a tough guy in that? I'm sending thoughts, prayers and Clorox to the hunch follower's.