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72lions 09-09-2020 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1830454)
When we moved here earlier this year we planned to do away with landlne but got a bundling deal with xfinity that landline was very cheap so we did it.

Do use it very infrequently and when talking to our kids now use cell making 3 way call.

This is not a true land line. It still requires a functioning modem. No internet, no phone.

Topspinmo 09-09-2020 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ithos (Post 1830398)
How much does a copper landline cost now? For south of 466A, Century Link is apparently turning their landline service over to ATT .

Is there anyone else who has switched to Comcast/Xfinity and kept their landline? Not the streaming type but the old fashioned ma bell kind invented in the 19th century.

What are you paying for it and from whom?

With fewer residential users and the same infrastructure, it seems the costs are just going to keep going higher.

Thanks for the feedback.

I’ll give it 5 more years, as older folks die off so will the land line telephones. I also think coax cable will also be gone in few short years. Everything will be wireless.

Topspinmo 09-09-2020 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by coconutmama (Post 1830533)
We do too, for these reasons & 911 accuracy. Also it is easier to read the ID of a caller on our television as we only give out the landline # to businesses.

Why? If they ask For my number I say I call you if I need you’re service. Medical appointments are the only exceptIon for me.

ithos 09-09-2020 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Malsua (Post 1830493)
The problem with POTS these days is that it largely no longer exists at least as it was 50 years ago.

Yes, there is a copper wire coming to your house. That wire connects to your house is dumped onto a fiber trunk at some point(often before it gets to the central office) and it's no longer analog. It no longer has the reliance and fault tolerance that the POTS of the cold war era had.

When the backup generators and batteries of the cell towers go down in a power outage, chances are good that your POTS will go too. In fact, they may shut down the POTS first to allow a longer run time of the cell service.

That is interesting. Do you have a reference for this? I seen Recent anecdotal reports of people losing all comms except for their landline. Such as in hurricanes and forest fires .never heard a report . Losing their traditional phone line but did not lose cellphone service and the Internet.
It seems strange that landline phone Phone calls to the traditional copper line would be going through a cell phone tower. I could see it with VOIP.

charlieo1126@gmail.com 09-09-2020 08:52 AM

Like getting a letter from
 
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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 1830453)
Just pick up the landline receiver and hear the dial tone, lets you know you are not alone in the world.
Hardly use it these days, but like an old pair of slippers, comforting to have around!

a friend I guess

charlieo1126@gmail.com 09-09-2020 09:01 AM

Cord been cut for 21 years, lived through a destructive hurricane in Punta Gorda if your home is destroyed your not going to be able to use land line, everyone needs to have a couple of chargers handy , you can now get a cordless one also charge it up and keep it handy

airstreamingypsy 09-09-2020 09:20 AM

I haven't had a landline since 1999.

Skip 09-09-2020 10:03 AM

Still on POTS
 
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Originally Posted by matandch (Post 1830481)
I use Ooma VOIP for landline service. Backfed through home jack system to make multiple phone use possible. Downside, as mentioned before by others, when power/internet fails so goes phones. I do have a cell phone which can serve as a backup in the event of power/internet failure. Cost for Ooma -$5/mo.

I tried OOMA VOIP on our Comcast Blast two years ago. Person on the other end said they heard echoes of themselves. Didn't matter who initiated the call. We could not have a conversation it was so bad for them. Was on the phone with OOMA service often to get it resolved (download new firmware many times over, etc.). Took a whole month and still was not resolved. Even the senior tech on the other end understood and heard the problem. Took another month and fighting to get a full refund. Their tech department does not talk to their billing department. Glad I did not get rid of our home number. So for us, OOMA with COMCAST did NOT work. I believe it was our Comcast local node at fault trying to do duplex with IP.

If you have a whole house security system, like us, (fire/intrusion/flood with no monthly monitoring fee BTW), you need to have a POTS dial tone if you don't want to rely on Comcast. With POTS, if the electricity in the area goes off, you still have phone service. POTS runs on a DC battery system invented by A.G.Bell. Your digital phone station may not work but an old fashioned handset on the line still works without electric in the area. A security system with battery backup dialer (like ours) still works, so you DON'T need internet or electricity to dial out.

If electric goes out, sometimes cell service goes out too (depending on the tower location). Most now have backup generators (if they work!).

If you are out of town and a storm breaks a window in your house and rain comes in, our system dials 5 numbers: 911, your cell#, spouse's cell# and two local friends that can come and repair the damage because they have a house key. The security system earns us an insurance discount too.

So we have Centurylink POTS at $50+ /month without Caller ID. Wish I could drop the long distance portion. We use our cell phones for long distance cause it's free.

Anyone have Centurylink POTS without a long distance add on? I'd like to know.

For some, POTS is not dead. Hope this helps.

Skip

greenflash245 09-09-2020 10:12 AM

they are disappearing

rmd2 09-09-2020 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ithos (Post 1830456)
It does seem that that our analog copper landlines are at risk.

Save Landlines! – Defending Our Analog Copper Landline Network

Comcast offers VOIP. Not traditional phone service.

In a hurricane where power and cell phones go out, or when your internet service drops out(which still happens occasionally) , VOIP doesn't work.

Why is your landline phone dead?

They also favor VoIP for regulatory reasons. In 2012, the state lost authority over VoIP, so the California Public Regulatory Commission can’t require backup power. Companies only offer it voluntarily. And there’s no obligation to guarantee universal access and fair prices to consumers, according to the nonprofits Electronic Frontier Foundation and The Utility Reform Network.

Apparently this is true because I always thought I had a regular landline. I get my phone service through Comcast. When hurricane Irma went through and I lost electric for several days I did not have ANY phone service -- not from my hard-wire phone (Comcast) or my cell phone or my internet. Nothing for days.

Ecuadog 09-09-2020 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Skip (Post 1830639)
...
Anyone have Centurylink POTS without a long distance add on? I'd like to know.
...
Skip

I don't have the LD add-on. I pay about $38.50 per month.

NoMoSno 09-09-2020 10:32 AM

An extra $30 with internet service through Centurylink.
After hurricane Irma only our land line worked.

Malsua 09-09-2020 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ithos (Post 1830595)
That is interesting. Do you have a reference for this? I seen Recent anecdotal reports of people losing all comms except for their landline. Such as in hurricanes and forest fires .never heard a report . Losing their traditional phone line but did not lose cellphone service and the Internet.
It seems strange that landline phone Phone calls to the traditional copper line would be going through a cell phone tower. I could see it with VOIP.

I know a couple guys who work for telcos and service lines and towers and such(not around TV). The landlines don't go through towers, but since they have backup capacity(Batteries and gensets) at certain "main" towers, they've trunked the POTS lines over there instead of maintaining separate battery banks. It all depends on where really.

The only reason I know this is because I got into a conversation with a buddy who works in the field about the reliability of POTS and he informed me that the POTS lines often terminate at a neighborhood level CO and are translated onto Fiber to get digitally switched. This does not mean they don't have an old copper connection from everywhere to everywhere else(which is somewhat mandated by the government) it's just that those lines are DARK most places and in a disaster, no one is going to bother energizing them either.

Your POTS line will work until the batteries and gensets run down. Then nothing is going to work.

If you live very rural, the POTS lines are the old lines and probably haven't been updated, but we're talking about TV here.

retiredguy123 09-09-2020 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Malsua (Post 1830493)
The problem with POTS these days is that it largely no longer exists at least as it was 50 years ago.

Yes, there is a copper wire coming to your house. That wire connects to your house is dumped onto a fiber trunk at some point(often before it gets to the central office) and it's no longer analog. It no longer has the reliance and fault tolerance that the POTS of the cold war era had.

When the backup generators and batteries of the cell towers go down in a power outage, chances are good that your POTS will go too. In fact, they may shut down the POTS first to allow a longer run time of the cell service.

I understand your point, but I would take issue that any phone service 40 or 50 years ago would have been more reliable than today.

Velvet 09-09-2020 11:20 AM

No landline in TV for us, too many telemarketers.

OhioBuckeye 09-09-2020 11:23 AM

Ohiobuckeye
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ithos (Post 1830398)
How much does a copper landline cost now? For south of 466A, Century Link is apparently turning their landline service over to ATT .

Is there anyone else who has switched to Comcast/Xfinity and kept their landline? Not the streaming type but the old fashioned ma bell kind invented in the 19th century.

What are you paying for it and from whom?

With fewer residential users and the same infrastructure, it seems the costs are just going to keep going higher.

Thanks for the feedback.

Duh, why unless it was package deal to get internet & cable TV. If you’re at home why would anybody want a cell phone & a landline both at home. Cell phones are more convenient!

Malsua 09-09-2020 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1830677)
I understand your point, but I would take issue that any phone service 40 or 50 years ago would have been more reliable than today.

It was very reliable and was substantially upgraded in the 40s and 50s to withstand nuclear attack. My father worked for AT&T Long Lines and he spoke plenty about it. All the main central offices had what he called "Blow off buildings". All the important stuff could withstand a somewhat nearby bomb going off since it was well underground.

During the blizzard of 1977 in rural Ohio where I grew up, we had no power for almost 2 weeks but the phone worked! I can't recall the phone not working ever and we lived 10 miles outside of nowhere ;).

biker1 09-09-2020 12:37 PM

Ooma works well with CenturyLink fiber to the house. The Ooma box is first in line for IP packets. Our router plugs into the Ooma box.

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Originally Posted by Skip (Post 1830639)
I tried OOMA VOIP on our Comcast Blast two years ago. Person on the other end said they heard echoes of themselves. Didn't matter who initiated the call. We could not have a conversation it was so bad for them. Was on the phone with OOMA service often to get it resolved (download new firmware many times over, etc.). Took a whole month and still was not resolved. Even the senior tech on the other end understood and heard the problem. Took another month and fighting to get a full refund. Their tech department does not talk to their billing department. Glad I did not get rid of our home number. So for us, OOMA with COMCAST did NOT work. I believe it was our Comcast local node at fault trying to do duplex with IP.

If you have a whole house security system, like us, (fire/intrusion/flood with no monthly monitoring fee BTW), you need to have a POTS dial tone if you don't want to rely on Comcast. With POTS, if the electricity in the area goes off, you still have phone service. POTS runs on a DC battery system invented by A.G.Bell. Your digital phone station may not work but an old fashioned handset on the line still works without electric in the area. A security system with battery backup dialer (like ours) still works, so you DON'T need internet or electricity to dial out.

If electric goes out, sometimes cell service goes out too (depending on the tower location). Most now have backup generators (if they work!).

If you are out of town and a storm breaks a window in your house and rain comes in, our system dials 5 numbers: 911, your cell#, spouse's cell# and two local friends that can come and repair the damage because they have a house key. The security system earns us an insurance discount too.

So we have Centurylink POTS at $50+ /month without Caller ID. Wish I could drop the long distance portion. We use our cell phones for long distance cause it's free.

Anyone have Centurylink POTS without a long distance add on? I'd like to know.

For some, POTS is not dead. Hope this helps.

Skip


Dman114 09-09-2020 12:41 PM

How was this done

dkaufnelson 09-09-2020 01:13 PM

I've had VOIP landline for over 15 years now and just love having it for several reasons.
When I can't find my cell phone, I simply dial the cell ph# on my landline and listen for the ring to locate my cell.
I give this landline number to all businesses, so they can't tie up my cell phone.
Once I give this landline number to businesses, I find most all solicitation comes just to that landline number, not my cell.
Yes, you will lose use of this landline if internet goes out, but I've lived in TV for almost 3 years now and never once lost internet long enough to lose my landline service.
I need a landline to send faxes and it works just fine over VOIP.
Yes, the other landlines will not lose power with loss of internet, but for only $39.99 a year, I feel VOIP is a much better deal.
Just ordered a MagicJack for my friend at only $39 and it gives you one free year of service now as on a special offer. MagicJack has to be placed next to your router or computer, requires an open USB port and the main unit of your portable, wireless landline phone system has to be plugged into your router. NetTalk doesn't require use of a USB port, but not sure they're offering $39 yearly price anymore and they're not offering free 1 year of service with the purchase of their device, so better go with MagicJack.
Try it and see if it works for you!

John41 09-09-2020 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1830688)
No landline in TV for us, too many telemarketers.

CPR call blocker stopped the telemarketers for us on our landline.

NavyVet 09-09-2020 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by OhioBuckeye (Post 1830690)
Duh, why unless it was package deal to get internet & cable TV. If you’re at home why would anybody want a cell phone & a landline both at home. Cell phones are more convenient!

There is nothing "DUH" about wanting to keep a landline and no, cell phones aren't necessarily more convenient.
1. Quality of sound is just better on landline. Can hear better when not distorted or breaking up.
2. Cell phone not reliable at all when signal is weak inside home and constantly dropping calls.
3. Due to the way cell phone service is set up, providers will not allow you to disable voice mail. This is a problem because ...
4. ... There is no true Call Blocking function. Blocked numbers still go to voice mail so the harassing caller can still leave a message. So call blocking on cell phones is a joke, truly useless. I even called the cell provider for options. They could not block specific numbers and their only solutions were don't listen to your voice mail or change your phone number. Those are not viable solutions!
5. At least with Spectrum landline, you can completely block numbers so your phone doesn't even ring and the caller gets a message "This number is not accepting calls at this time." What I ended up having to do is having ALL calls forwarded from my cell number to my home phone. My cell hasn't rung in 8 months. I use it for texting, Internet, playing games, and making outgoing calls when I'm NOT home.
Living with PTSD, my safety and privacy is of paramount importance. Therefore, I will never give up my landline. Everyone's mileage may vary, but is the duh attitude really necessary?

chrissy2231 09-09-2020 02:31 PM

My landline deal is so cheap with crystal clear clarity. Buy OOMA on Amazon (about $75) , $75 set up, then $5.61 a month for 911 & taxes. My computer handyman charged $40 to install. OOMA is a VOIP. I use my headset with cordless phone and love it. Cell phone is for emergency only. When I go out, I don't want to be on the phone and am put off by friends who choose to take calls while we're together. Now I get up and leave. Cell phones are an unworthy addiction.

John41 09-09-2020 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by NavyVet (Post 1830745)
There is nothing "DUH" about wanting to keep a landline and no, cell phones aren't necessarily more convenient.
1. Quality of sound is just better on landline. Can hear better when not distorted or breaking up.
2. Cell phone not reliable at all when signal is weak inside home and constantly dropping calls.
3. Due to the way cell phone service is set up, providers will not allow you to disable voice mail. This is a problem because ...
4. ... There is no true Call Blocking function. Blocked numbers still go to voice mail so the harassing caller can still leave a message. So call blocking on cell phones is a joke, truly useless. I even called the cell provider for options. They could not block specific numbers and their only solutions were don't listen to your voice mail or change your phone number. Those are not viable solutions!
5. At least with Spectrum landline, you can completely block numbers so your phone doesn't even ring and the caller gets a message "This number is not accepting calls at this time." What I ended up having to do is having ALL calls forwarded from my cell number to my home phone. My cell hasn't rung in 8 months. I use it for texting, Internet, playing games, and making outgoing calls when I'm NOT home.
Living with PTSD, my safety and privacy is of paramount importance. Therefore, I will never give up my landline. Everyone's mileage may vary, but is the duh attitude really necessary?

Also landline phones offer services for the disabled such as arthritis , hearing impaired , visually impaired. Wouldn’t be without these features.

Steve32162 09-09-2020 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by vintageogauge (Post 1830403)
We have plug in wired land lines with Comcast $8.95/month unlimited calling and a bunch of features.

Are you sure you have a wired phone line? Comcast's phone service is VOIP (Voice Over Internet Protocol), which is why it's only $9/month. Other than Centurylink, I'm not aware of any other wired phone service in TV.

OrangeBlossomBaby 09-09-2020 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by chrissy2231 (Post 1830747)
My landline deal is so cheap with crystal clear clarity. Buy OOMA on Amazon (about $75) , $75 set up, then $5.61 a month for 911 & taxes. My computer handyman charged $40 to install. OOMA is a VOIP. I use my headset with cordless phone and love it. Cell phone is for emergency only. When I go out, I don't want to be on the phone and am put off by friends who choose to take calls while we're together. Now I get up and leave. Cell phones are an unworthy addiction.

VOIP is not landline. It's VOIP. You need internet service in order for it to work. Landline doesn't require internet service. It also doesn't require electricity.

Stu from NYC 09-09-2020 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve32162 (Post 1830751)
Are you sure you have a wired phone line? Comcast's phone service is VOIP (Voice Over Internet Protocol), which is why it's only $9/month. Other than Centurylink, I'm not aware of any other wired phone service in TV.

Hmm something to look into. The price you mention is about the same as we are paying and we are with xfinity a division of comcast.

Perhaps we do not have a regular land line and if so why pay for it.

Sherry8bal 09-09-2020 06:24 PM

We have had StraightTalk landline for a couple of years. About $16.00 a month and it is fine. Way better than prices everyone else wants.

Labanz 09-09-2020 06:24 PM

Landline
 
1992 was the year I took out the landline and went full time to cellphones. At the time people thought I was nuts. I have Not experienced any issues in getting everything I need with the cellphone, including emergency services when required.
I do not believe in holding on to the past.

Boilerman 09-09-2020 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skip (Post 1830639)
I tried OOMA VOIP on our Comcast Blast two years ago. Person on the other end said they heard echoes of themselves. Didn't matter who initiated the call. We could not have a conversation it was so bad for them. Was on the phone with OOMA service often to get it resolved (download new firmware many times over, etc.). Took a whole month and still was not resolved. Even the senior tech on the other end understood and heard the problem. Took another month and fighting to get a full refund. Their tech department does not talk to their billing department. Glad I did not get rid of our home number. So for us, OOMA with COMCAST did NOT work. I believe it was our Comcast local node at fault trying to do duplex with IP.

Skip

We’ve used OOMA with Comcast/Xfinity internet service here in the Villages for 2 years with no issues. We get crystal clear reception for about $5 a month. We also bring our OOMA box up north to our summer residence to use for calls because the cell reception there is very weak.

yankygrl 09-09-2020 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ithos (Post 1830398)
How much does a copper landline cost now? For south of 466A, Century Link is apparently turning their landline service over to ATT .

Is there anyone else who has switched to Comcast/Xfinity and kept their landline? Not the streaming type but the old fashioned ma bell kind invented in the 19th century.

What are you paying for it and from whom?

With fewer residential users and the same infrastructure, it seems the costs are just going to keep going higher.

Thanks for the feedback.

I live in Lake Deaton and have a landline with service provided by centurylink. I have not been informed that there will be a change to ATT. I have a lifetime guarantee rate with my internet package for $85.00/month. With taxes and other charges total bill is less then $105.00/month. I have no issues. Neither Comcast nor Spectrum would get me a landline without changing existing number which I had for 4 years when I lived above 466A.

OrangeBlossomBaby 09-09-2020 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sherry8bal (Post 1830794)
We have had StraightTalk landline for a couple of years. About $16.00 a month and it is fine. Way better than prices everyone else wants.

Straight Talk is not landline. It's a wireless home phone base used to replace landline.

eddie888 09-10-2020 06:08 AM

I have been here for 15 years and thank goodness for land lines. There have been many times thru storms or hurricanes , my cell phone did not work. Thank goodness I had a landline. That’s all I have to say about that

PJackpot 09-10-2020 07:28 AM

The infrastructure here does not support traditional copper lines. Any voice service is VoIP. POTS stands for plain old telephone service, but does not indicate a traditional copper line to the home.

chrissy2231 09-10-2020 07:44 AM

OOMA base is bought on-line then set up at home. After that, monthly billing is $5.61 making yearly total $67.32. Your phone number is then ported. No other provider is needed. Best deal ever! Never use Magic Jack.

chrissy2231 09-10-2020 07:46 AM

Holding on to the past when it provides a huge saving is equivalent to Clark Kent changing into his Superman costume and saving the world. Where is he when we need him to obliterate Covid?

chrissy2231 09-10-2020 07:47 AM

OOMA provides porting your number which is why I bought OOMA to pay a yearly total of $67.32 for 911 & tax.

biker1 09-10-2020 07:56 AM

South of 466A (and other areas), CenturyLink is fiber optic cable to the house. This means that you don't have a "land line" in the traditional sense of copper wires. Essentially, you have CenturyLink's Voice-over-IP phone service (plus internet service). While there may be some convenience to having a "land line" from CenturyLink, you could be paying less. If you reduce your service to internet only then your price-for-life would be $49 per month (IIRC). You can then buy an Ooma box to provide essentially the same "land line" service (Voice-over-IP) you have now for about $5 per month. You can generally keep the same number by having it ported over to Ooma. I have been using Ooma for 6+ years.

Quote:

Originally Posted by yankygrl (Post 1830810)
I live in Lake Deaton and have a landline with service provided by centurylink. I have not been informed that there will be a change to ATT. I have a lifetime guarantee rate with my internet package for $85.00/month. With taxes and other charges total bill is less then $105.00/month. I have no issues. Neither Comcast nor Spectrum would get me a landline without changing existing number which I had for 4 years when I lived above 466A.


newchapter 09-10-2020 09:18 AM

We haven't had a landline in 8 years.

Topspinmo 09-10-2020 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NavyVet (Post 1830745)
There is nothing "DUH" about wanting to keep a landline and no, cell phones aren't necessarily more convenient.
1. Quality of sound is just better on landline. Can hear better when not distorted or breaking up.
2. Cell phone not reliable at all when signal is weak inside home and constantly dropping calls.
3. Due to the way cell phone service is set up, providers will not allow you to disable voice mail. This is a problem because ...
4. ... There is no true Call Blocking function. Blocked numbers still go to voice mail so the harassing caller can still leave a message. So call blocking on cell phones is a joke, truly useless. I even called the cell provider for options. They could not block specific numbers and their only solutions were don't listen to your voice mail or change your phone number. Those are not viable solutions!
5. At least with Spectrum landline, you can completely block numbers so your phone doesn't even ring and the caller gets a message "This number is not accepting calls at this time." What I ended up having to do is having ALL calls forwarded from my cell number to my home phone. My cell hasn't rung in 8 months. I use it for texting, Internet, playing games, and making outgoing calls when I'm NOT home.
Living with PTSD, my safety and privacy is of paramount importance. Therefore, I will never give up my landline. Everyone's mileage may vary, but is the duh attitude really necessary?


They can’t block number cause they Are the ones selling
Blocks of hundreds to telemarketers and scammers.


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