[tvbound]

Originally Posted by Becca9800

And to those that believe, w hearts and souls, that you KNOW how it all went down, as you sit comfortably in your armchair, behind your keyboard, NEVER w any policing experience, you sicken me.

Bad/bullying/racist/bigoted cops (like Chauvin) and those who protect or make excuses for them - sicken me. The rest, I applaud and appreciate the work they do.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

My point is that if ANY OTHER police officer had been dealing with him instead of Chauvin, he would have been alive today. In jail, and alive.

The reason Chauvin is guilty of MURDER rather than unintentional homicide, is because he made SURE his victim was dead before taking his knee off his victim's neck. And even when he was told the victim had no pulse, he STAYED on that guy's neck for a few more minutes.

He was on the ground, face against the pavement, handcuffed behind his back, with someone kneeling on his back, someone else holding down his legs. There was no way this guy was going to get back up. Even if he twitched his final death twitch, he wasn't going anywhere and was a threat to no one at that point.

And still, Chauvin kept his knee on the guy's neck. After he was already dead and someone confirmed that he did not, in fact, have a pulse.

That's why he's in jail. Not because he killed a criminal. That happens all the time, it's the nature of the business, stuff happens and I still respect the police departments.

No. It was because he didn't have to kill him, the criminal was already in a position where he was unable to cause harm, he was then killed, and then the officer stayed on his neck to make SURE the guy was dead. That's why he's in jail and Floyd is dead.

That is the long and short of it. We can believe our eyes, the testimony at trial, the jury's verdict, and our current Attorney General's investigation into systemic Police problems in Minneapolis. That is simply believing in the American system of justice. Those are a lot of factors that are hard to refute - but many are trying unsuccessfully!

[Ben Franklin]

Originally Posted by Aces4

Would the solution be only African American officers for African American crimes and calls and Caucasian officers for other crimes?

Those are your thoughts, not mine.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by stanley

Opinion and conjecture. You cannot say that with absolute certainty.

No one short of GOD can ever say ANYTHING with ABSOLUTE certainty. Even scientists never make statements of certainty.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Aces4

And you have yet to speak of Mr. Floyd’s culpability.

Because it has ZERO to do with the case - which is did D. Chauvin MURDER Mr. Floyd? Mr. Floyd was NOT on trial !

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Ben Franklin

"George Floyd was arrested and sentenced to a penitentiary for several years for breaking into a private home and holding a gun to the belly of a pregnant woman..." Nothing in the official police arrest record at the time of the robbery mentioned anything about the woman being pregnant. I agree that Chauvin and Floyd were unprincipled, however, police are not supposed to be judge and jury.

Background Check: Investigating George Floyd’s Criminal Record | Snopes.com

As for Floyd's cocaine use, Florida's Republican Congressman in Fort Myers was caught buying and using cocaine BUT he was not sent to jail. He was sent to a rehab center. Today he is a commentator for right wing media.

In 2006, the FBI warned us that White Nationalist had infiltrated our police departments. Nothing was ever done about it.
FBI warned of white supremacists in law enforcement 10 years ago. Has anything changed? | PBS NewsHour

We do need to change, otherwise things will just get worst.

Thing are going to get worse, just look at history, ever decade it’s get worse.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

Thing are going to get worse, just look at history, ever decade it’s get worse.

Not sure about other countries, but yes in the US - because every decade since 1970 the wealth gap has increased until we have the #1 worse gap in the world!

[stanley]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

No one short of GOD can ever say ANYTHING with ABSOLUTE certainty. Even scientists never make statements of certainty.

Duh!! Some responses by some always "seem" absolute.....maybe more godly than most.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Because it has ZERO to do with the case - which is did D. Chauvin MURDER Mr. Floyd? Mr. Floyd was NOT on trial !

Mr. Floyd put himself in that precarious situation by his actions but that carries no accountability.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by Aces4

Mr. Floyd put himself in that precarious situation by his actions but that carries no accountability.

Yes, he did, does that mean he deserved to be murdered?

Accountability should be proportional to the action. Did his actions rate being killed?| Is it up to the police to judge his actions and determine he deserves the death penalty?

I have heard NO ONE say Floyd was a good guy. No one said he was innocent.No one said he should not be held accountable for his actions. That is ALL a strawman.

The police are not judge, jury, and executioner. They are intended to enforce the law. Why is it so deplorable or unacceptable to want to monitor police activity to confirm they are actually obeying the law?

You seem to want to hold the death man accountable for his actions, shouldn't the police also be help accountable for their actions?