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CFrance 01-16-2014 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Cisco Kid (Post 811116)
I see Fiat is buying all Chrysler. That will mean my Jeep has been tainted.
:cryin2:

No, it just means your Jeep will run on Chianti.

The Buckeyes 01-16-2014 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Golfingnut (Post 799724)
I think I won that bet. I am a nut about buying American. When it's available built in America, I buy it. If not, a settle for second best. Buggy, I prefer a bud light

Bud is owned by Imbev which is a foreign company!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:boxing2:

Indydealmaker 01-16-2014 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by marianne237 (Post 799476)
Sometimes it is hard not to purchase either USA made or even USA owned. DH enjoys ham...so on occasion we purchase ham slices. We went to the new Sweetbay store and since ham was on my list, obviously, I looked for it there. All their ham products are packaged Smithfield. That is now a brand owned by the Chinese. We won't buy Smithfield any longer, and Paula Deen had nothing to do with it.
We all need to be consumer smart. It's only one small product, but it's my personal protest.

Smithfield ham is still a product that is grown, processed and packaged and distributed and sold by american employees. Your problem with them is what?

Also those that worry about U.S. dollars leaving this country should be aware that annually over $120 billion USD is sent by immigrants to their families in their home countries (according to a World Bank report). That is money that is presumably earned here but is being sucked out of our economy. At least most of the dollar value of imported products and/or foreign owned but U.S. manufactured products stays in this country if the ultimate customer is also in this country.

CFrance 01-16-2014 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Indydealmaker (Post 813067)
Smithfield ham is still a product that is grown, processed and packaged and distributed and sold by american employees. Your problem with them is what?

See, that's the thing. By trying to stick to the idea of only buying made in America products, you can be unwittingly hurting your own fellow citizens.

Do you think that the company that bought Jim Beam is going to come in and replace all the American employees with people from Japan? What about all the Americans employed by Budweiser? Toyota? Honda?

The Buckeyes 01-16-2014 07:25 PM

I had a 2008 Chevy HHR...it was made in Mexico, my 2010 Chevy Camaro was made in Canada and, my 2012 Honda was made in Marysville, Ohio by Americans.

Indydealmaker 01-16-2014 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by The Buckeyes (Post 813338)
I had a 2008 Chevy HHR...it was made in Mexico, my 2010 Chevy Camaro was made in Canada and, my 2012 Honda was made in Marysville, Ohio by Americans.

Actually, all three of your vehicles were made by
Americans.

billethkid 01-16-2014 07:54 PM

my 2013 Tahoe was made in Arlington, TX, USA

buggyone 01-16-2014 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 813351)
my 2013 Tahoe was made in Arlington, TX, USA

Do you honestly think that all the employees on the assembly line in Arlington, TX, were legal citizens of the USA?

I would imagine that the counterfeit green card industry is doing quite well around Arlington.

buggyone 01-16-2014 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Indydealmaker (Post 813340)
Actually, all three of your vehicles were made by
Americans.


All North Americans, too!

mrfixit 01-16-2014 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by buggyone (Post 813388)
Do you honestly think that all the employees on the assembly line in Arlington, TX, were legal citizens of the USA?

I would imagine that the counterfeit green card industry is doing quite well around Arlington.

Since Arlington TX is 430 miles from the Border,
I am betting that none are commuters.

The Buckeyes 01-17-2014 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Indydealmaker (Post 813340)
Actually, all three of your vehicles were made by
Americans.

Never thought of it that way. Let me rephrase the Honda was made in Marysville, Ohio which is part of the United States by US Citizens.

justjim 01-17-2014 11:14 AM

Bottom line----we need more American made products---more decent paying jobs.

billethkid 01-17-2014 11:45 AM

the equation is very simple but sometimes forgotten by most and unkown to far too many.

Every not made in the USA product that once upon a time used to be made in the USA = jobs/employment to make those products are gone. As we lose more and more manufacturing there will be more and more unemployment.

Having been educated and earned my living in manufacturing I have personally watched hundreds of thousands of jobs leave the USA....I have been responsible for relocating thousands of jobs from the USA as part of my responsibility in corporate America.

The ONLY reason for manufacturing of any product to be removed from the USA is to reduce the cost of labor in the product. American wages, inefficiencies and lack of investment in improving methods of manufacturing all contributed to the problem.

History has proven that the country with the latest, most modern, most efficient low cost manufacturing will surpass economically those who do not.
One only needs to look at the past greatness of USA manufacturing and compare it to today's emasculated shadow of it's former self.

I remember early in my career when we used to be proud in appliance park Kentucky (GE major appliances) that all our (GE) appliances were made in the USA........now almost none. GE appliance Park employment in the 70's was 25,000.....today less than 5,000. This one example is a mere drop in the bucket example of jobs lost.

Until that trend is stopped and reversed we will continue to slide into also ran status as a nation just as we are at this time in history.

Most countries have many more protectionism laws than we do for good reason. We have almost none.......POLITICS!!!

Made in USA is ALWAYS my first choice....no excuses.

CFrance 01-17-2014 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 813709)
the equation is very simple but sometimes forgotten by most and unkown to far too many.

Every not made in the USA product that once upon a time used to be made in the USA = jobs/employment to make those products are gone. As we lose more and more manufacturing there will be more and more unemployment.

Having been educated and earned my living in manufacturing I have personally watched hundreds of thousands of jobs leave the USA....I have been responsible for relocating thousands of jobs from the USA as part of my responsibility in corporate America.

The ONLY reason for manufacturing of any product to be removed from the USA is to reduce the cost of labor in the product. American wages, inefficiencies and lack of investment in improving methods of manufacturing all contributed to the problem.

History has proven that the country with the latest, most modern, most efficient low cost manufacturing will surpass economically those who do not.
One only needs to look at the past greatness of USA manufacturing and compare it to today's emasculated shadow of it's former self.

I remember early in my career when we used to be proud in appliance park Kentucky (GE major appliances) that all our (GE) appliances were made in the USA........now almost none. GE appliance Park employment in the 70's was 25,000.....today less than 5,000. This one example is a mere drop in the bucket example of jobs lost.

Until that trend is stopped and reversed we will continue to slide into also ran status as a nation just as we are at this time in history.

Most countries have many more protectionism laws than we do for good reason. We have almost none.......POLITICS!!!

Made in USA is ALWAYS my first choice....no excuses.

Given the way you feel about made in America, it must have been very difficult for you to make those job relocations to out of the States. (If I understood you correctly.)

billethkid 01-17-2014 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 813719)
Given the way you feel about made in America, it must have been very difficult for you to make those job relocations to out of the States. (If I understood you correctly.)

It was extremely difficult. Before we placed any work offshore we always met with the union and employees making them aware of the need to reduce costs. We never expected them to meet the lower labor costs of the off shore work force. However we did offer and expect to get improved costs locally by reducing the pay rate or increasing the output at the same pay. The unions hard in concrete position always was no way.

I did not understand then and I understand even less now why some folks would rather have no loaf of bread VS ANYthing less.

We always left a standing offer that if they could meet the daily output of the offshore counterpart we would bring the work back. We never brought back one hours worth of work!

My made in USA standard is USA owned and operated first. Second choice made in USA and foreighn owned....depending on who the owner.is.

The Buckeyes 01-17-2014 05:30 PM

Isn't it ironic....it is always touted that unions created the middle class (with a lot of justification about 100 years ago) but, nobody touts the fact that it was also unions who destroyed the middle class but, they won't admit that.

buggyone 01-17-2014 06:46 PM

One poster writes, "Bottom line----we need more American made products---more decent paying jobs."

Another poster writes, "We never expected them to meet the lower labor costs of the off shore work force. However we did offer and expect to get improved costs locally by reducing the pay rate or increasing the output at the same pay."

More American made products and decent paying jobs by reducing the pay rates or increasing the output at the same pay? Something just does not compute here.

billethkid 01-17-2014 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by buggyone (Post 813906)
More American made products and decent paying jobs by reducing the pay rates or increasing the output at the same pay? Something just does not compute here.

Both actions compute/result in a lower per unit cost. Only two of the many options.

If it was a family run small business there would be contest in the decision to be made. Either the family puts in more hours to get more revenue or they take less home in pay to reduce the cost of operating.

I suppose large or small business they could just keep doing the same old thing and just raise prices........until they are no longer competitive.

There has never ever been any mystery in the business equation that determines profit and loss. Unlike the government business cannot print money or borrow above and beyond the means of the entity.

CFrance 01-17-2014 07:36 PM

My husband spent 22 years in labor relations with Westinghouse, starting in 1970. They watched as the volatile unions ran the appliance divisions into the ground and ultimately out of business (among other reasons, but that was a main reason). There was no mindset of compromise there. It was sad to watch.


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