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Justus 07-09-2015 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by saratogaman (Post 1084476)
If the Confederate battle flag was part of our heritage or history, then let's fly the British union jack, too.

We see the British flag everywhere here in TV. And no one's ever complained.

Jim 9922 07-09-2015 11:13 AM

To me it is a flag of losers. The effort to secede was lost, the flag led in more battles lost than won, its army lost a war, and in subsequent history crackpots, misfits, and other losers seem to identify with it as part of their misguided activities and wrongful acts. In my opinion the flag is only a part of history and as such belongs in museums, historical reenactments, in history books, and maybe on the graves and markers of the poor souls who fought for a losing cause.

Justus 07-09-2015 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by KeepingItReal (Post 1084316)
Are you aware that one of the first slave owners was a black man and there were many more if you want to do a little research.

This link will get you started if you want to put forth the effort.

America

From the article:

By 1830 there were 3,775 black families living in the South who owned black slaves. By 1860 there were about 3,000 slaves owned by black households in the city of New Orleans alone.


This is a fact conveniently obliterated in the rewriting of U.S. history, beginning in the late 1950's to early '60's. Just as the plight of the thousands and thousands of white "indentured servants" has been ignored. These facts are too embarrassing to race hustlers, who are getting rich off white American guilt. And let's not get started on the American Indian tribes that kept slaves long after the Emancipation Proclamation, despite our efforts to change their slave culture.

DianeM 07-09-2015 11:42 AM

The Confederate flag has to go. The South lost. End of story. We have but one flag as a country.

MarkinMd 07-09-2015 11:53 AM

I have no feelings at all about the rebel flag. I believe it is a distraction from whats really important and what we should be concerned about. Two examples : ISIS and Iran with nuclear bombs.

Justus 07-09-2015 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DianeM (Post 1084538)
The Confederate flag has to go. The South lost. End of story. We have but one flag as a country.

We need to be careful what we wish for. It started with the Nativity scene and the mention of Christ in Christmas store ads. Then the Ten Commandments and any reference to Christianity, which have all been banned on "Public Property". Christians cannot gather in public buildings, but streets of NYC are closed down at noon so that Muslims can pray en masse to Mecca.

Today it's the Confederate Flag. Tomorrow, who knows?...maybe the American Flag will be deemed "offensive" by some group. Our freedoms are being decimated, one by one, and with disturbing rapidity.

It's not merely the Confederate Flag...it's the right of a proud people, many of whom lost loved ones in the struggle to keep it, to fly it without fear of retribution. Remember the quote, "...and then they came for me."

redwitch 07-09-2015 12:23 PM

To me, the Stars and Bars is a symbol of brother fighting brother, of the unnecessary slaughter of so many young men, of people that lost a war but still haven't accepted that fact. Slavery was a very small part of the issues causing this war. If you read the Emancipation Proclamation carefully, you'll see it really freed no slaves. Even counties in Maryland that were pro-North were exempt from freeing their slaves. It really was a war of land and economics.

And, again, what people choose to display on their private property is their right and privilege. What our government, whether local or national, displays should be limited to state and national flags, not symbols of beliefs. It is one thing to honor heroes of a war, regardless of who won, or those who died, even if on the losing side, it is another to fly a flag claiming to represent a region (the "rural South" in this case) which is not legally recognized as such, on government land.

As to the U.N. displaying flags of all member nations, that is, at best, an extremely specious argument. Next you'll use embassies flying their national flags on their sovereign ground as an argument to justify flying rhe Stars n Bars.

Mickedamouse24 07-09-2015 12:28 PM

It goes without saying that a good number of you need to read the history of and why the Civil War happened! You need to read the history of "so called!" slavery. Who owned "slaves!" What parts of the country had "slaves!" The 12 past Presidents of the US who owned "slaves!" There was a good deal more than "slavery!" involved in the fighting of the Civil War or better known as "The Northern Aggression!" Most of the comments on this page seemingly come from folks of the North! Does that prejudice your opinion? Did you know that many of our Founding Fathers, to include George Washington had slaves! It's easier to call a segment of our country "losers!" than it is to actually read the histroy and facts! Did the fact "the North!" participated in "slavery!" before, during and after the end of the Civil War make it okay to ignore that fact? Do you realize that the US Flag was the choice of flag for the "Union?" So, since the North participated in "slavery!" Do we take the US Flag down? So, where do we begin in erasing history and where do we stop? What monuments to great people do we take down and what names of cities, facilities and parks, etc. do we change? Where does the total nonsense and PC stop? History is just that "History!" We can't change it, deal with it! But inform yourself before vomitting untrue statements!

Bogie Shooter 07-09-2015 12:51 PM

The War between the States has really never ended.
Just read the above posts!

Joe Dobrowolski 07-09-2015 12:54 PM

No Kneejerk Reaction in Marion County
 
Marion County has chosen to use common sense rather than bow down to a few who want to erase history and it's symbols.

newguyintv 07-09-2015 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Kahuna32162 (Post 1084257)
News reports say the Marion County commissioners have voted to restore the confederate flag to the county buildings. I think I want to move!

Don't move. Stick around and vote the A....holes out of office.

rubicon 07-09-2015 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Justus (Post 1084557)
We need to be careful what we wish for. It started with the Nativity scene and the mention of Christ in Christmas store ads. Then the Ten Commandments and any reference to Christianity, which have all been banned on "Public Property". Christians cannot gather in public buildings, but streets of NYC are closed down at noon so that Muslims can pray en masse to Mecca.

Today it's the Confederate Flag. Tomorrow, who knows?...maybe the American Flag will be deemed "offensive" by some group. Our freedoms are being decimated, one by one, and with disturbing rapidity.

It's not merely the Confederate Flag...it's the right of a proud people, many of whom lost loved ones in the struggle to keep it, to fly it without fear of retribution. Remember the quote, "...and then they came for me."

Justus: you are spot on. The progressives used alinksy tactics and demonized the confederate flag to remove it. My dog in this fight is exactly where you are at ...whose next?... what is next?

This is a fight for return to us our individual freedoms our right to be guided by our conscience and not the government

saratogaman 07-09-2015 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1084480)
You from the Northeast?

Yes...grew up near the site of the Battle of Saratoga.

KeepingItReal 07-09-2015 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Cedwards38 (Post 1084393)
I'm confused.

Don't feel bad, there is a obviously a lot of confusion on this subject......No doubt most, if not all those complaining about the confederate flag are from the north and therefore have no fondness for it and do not wish to consider or have any consideration of it's real meaning to others.

KayakerNC 07-09-2015 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by KeepingItReal (Post 1084596)
No doubt most, if not all those complaining about the confederate flag are from the north and therefore have no fondness for it and do not wish to consider or have any consideration of it's real meaning to others.

I think it wiser moreover not to keep open the sores of war, but to follow the examples of those nations who endeavored to obliterate the marks of civil strife and to commit to oblivion the feelings it engendered,” ….. Robert E. Lee
Even Robert E. Lee Wanted the Confederate Flag Gone - The Daily Beast

KeepingItReal 07-09-2015 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by KayakerNC (Post 1084602)
I think it wiser moreover not to keep open the sores of war, but to follow the examples of those nations who endeavored to obliterate the marks of civil strife and to commit to oblivion the feelings it engendered,” ….. Robert E. Lee
Even Robert E. Lee Wanted the Confederate Flag Gone - The Daily Beast


He was one, and was entitled to his opinion just the same as all others.

Maybe next we'll just get rid of all the state flags (all the states should share one common flag, after all they are all in the US), all the military branch flags (as they really irritate the other branches of the service and why do we need a different flag for each anyway since they are all fighting for the same cause) , and also those pesky school flags. (they so irritate their rival teams so they have to go).

This flag definitely must go as it insults the Seminole tribe right?

Chi-Town 07-09-2015 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 1084592)
Justus: you are spot on. The progressives used alinksy tactics and demonized the confederate flag to remove it. My dog in this fight is exactly where you are at ...whose next?... what is next?

This is a fight for return to us our individual freedoms our right to be guided by our conscience and not the government

Progressives and Alinsky tactics have demonized the Confederate flag? Who is Alinsky?

KeepingItReal 07-09-2015 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Chi-Town (Post 1084611)
Progressives and Alinsky tactics have demonized the Confederate flag? Who is Alinsky?


Saul David Alinsky (January 30, 1909 – June 12, 1972) was an American community organizer, and writer. He is generally considered to be the founder of modern community organizing.

He is often noted for his book Rules for Radicals.

chuckinca 07-09-2015 02:23 PM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saul_Alinsky

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Bonny 07-09-2015 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by KeepingItReal (Post 1084604)
He was one, and was entitled to his opinion just the same as all others.

Maybe next we'll just get rid of all the state flags (all the states should share one common flag, after all they are all in the US), all the military branch flags (as they really irritate the other branches of the service and why do we need a different flag for each anyway since they are all fighting for the same cause) , and also those pesky school flags. (they so irritate their rival teams so they have to go).

This flag definitely must go as it insults the Seminole tribe right?

And the Washington Redskins will probably be getting a new name.

Justus 07-09-2015 02:45 PM

Where's Ronald Reagan when we need him...

Walt. 07-09-2015 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 1084592)
Justus: you are spot on. The progressives used alinksy tactics and demonized the confederate flag to remove it. My dog in this fight is exactly where you are at ...whose next?... what is next?

This is a fight for return to us our individual freedoms our right to be guided by our conscience and not the government

And there were those student who were forced to remove their American flag shirts because it "might offend" Mexican students on Cinco de Mayo.

gomoho 07-09-2015 03:42 PM

Gracie makes an excellent point. If the flag is so offensive why has it been allowed to fly for so long without a problem? Once again we are over-reacting to a situation and had it not happened we wouldn't be discussing this right now.

bobbym 07-09-2015 03:57 PM

So you’re going after the Confederate flag because it represents hate and violence? So tell me when you plan on going after Rap music lyrics?

Bogie Shooter 07-09-2015 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by KeepingItReal (Post 1084604)
He was one, and was entitled to his opinion just the same as all others.

Maybe next we'll just get rid of all the state flags (all the states should share one common flag, after all they are all in the US), all the military branch flags (as they really irritate the other branches of the service and why do we need a different flag for each anyway since they are all fighting for the same cause) , and also those pesky school flags. (they so irritate their rival teams so they have to go).

This flag definitely must go as it insults the Seminole tribe right?

Not to the Seminole's.

Bogie Shooter 07-09-2015 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Justus (Post 1084636)
Where's Ronald Reagan when we need him...

Take down this damn wall..........................

Gary7 07-09-2015 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by gomoho (Post 1084663)
Gracie makes an excellent point. If the flag is so offensive why has it been allowed to fly for so long without a problem? Once again we are over-reacting to a situation and had it not happened we wouldn't be discussing this right now.

Excellent points?
Perhaps the same can be said of these situations:
If not allowing women to vote was so offensive why was it not allowed for so long without a problem?
If slavery was so offensive why was it allowed for so long without a problem?

newguyintv 07-09-2015 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by bobbym (Post 1084668)
So you’re going after the Confederate flag because it represents hate and violence? So tell me when you plan on going after Rap music lyrics?

No. It represents people who declared war on the USA and lost. No different than the Swastika. Would you fly that on your flag pole?

Moderator 07-09-2015 05:13 PM

This thread has veered far off the topic of the Marion County Flag decision and into political and name-calling territory.

This thread is now closed.

Please feel free to continue the discussion in the political forum.

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