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Russ_Boston 09-25-2011 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Oren L Miller (Post 398851)
. Michael Vick should have gone to jail for a long long time. I agree with some of the posters on here. A lot of highly intelligent people think that the justice system didn't protect against the cruel treatment of animals that couldn't defend themselves. Obviously your mothers forgot to tell you something. IF you don't have something nice to say - just shut the hell up. :agree::agree::agree:
Not trying to start an argument but from what I remember about the case he was given almost the max sentence that ANYONE who commits this crime receives. But please don't say that those of us who think justice was served are either not animal lovers nor unintelligent. I am neither.
I couldn't care less if Vick ever plays again but not for the reasons you've stated.

It seems that when animals are involved the crowd gets very restless. I hope you have the same passion for all injustices.

angiefox10 09-25-2011 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Russ_Boston (Post 398885)
Not trying to start an argument but from what I remember about the case he was given almost the max sentence that ANYONE who commits this crime receives. But please don't say that those of us who think justice was served are either not animal lovers nor unintelligent. I am neither.
I couldn't care less if Vick ever plays again but not for the reasons you've stated.

It seems that when animals are involved the crowd gets very restless. I hope you have the same passion for all injustices.

If he had done to a child what he did to these dogs.... Would you feel that he should go back to being a "hero"? Or do you know what he did to the dogs?

elevatorman 09-25-2011 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Russ_Boston (Post 398885)
Not trying to start an argument but from what I remember about the case he was given almost the max sentence that ANYONE who commits this crime receives. But please don't say that those of us who think justice was served are either not animal lovers nor unintelligent. I am neither.
I couldn't care less if Vick ever plays again but not for the reasons you've stated.

It seems that when animals are involved the crowd gets very restless. I hope you have the same passion for all injustices.
Actually he could have gotten 6 years and a $350,000 fine.

GeorgeT 09-25-2011 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by angiefox10 (Post 398847)
for my feelings about Mr. Vick. If this is disrupting your game then don't read it. I would also like to add that if you can't be supportive about a thread you might want to consider being quiet!

What Michael Vick did may not bother you as much as it does me or others on this thread.... So ignore it so we can grieve for the dogs that were abused while Mr. Vick goes back to his old life. We don't believe that he is sorry for what he did... We believe that he is sorry for getting caught!

NO! I do not forgive him and I would wonder about myself if I did. I am a dog rescuer.... I am one of the people who works to try to place these abused dogs.

Many of you can be as ignorant as you want because you don't have your name or your pictures up here.... You just can't wait to jump on a thread and be as mean as you can be. I call that bullying... You don't even try to be funny.... You just try to be mean! You know who you are!

This is TOTV.... America's Friendliest Hometown??? Really???? Because I'm missing it!
You assume too much. I'm also pretty tired of people throwing up the "America's Friendliest Hometown" slogan whenever someone disagrees with them.

What Vick did is over and done with. Let's talk about the treatment of greyhounds. That's something that's still going on.

GeorgeT 09-25-2011 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Oren L Miller (Post 398851)
It sad to see people so deperate for a hero that they worship a man that beats dogs for fun. This is just further proof that the legal system in the US is broken. Michael Vick should have gone to jail for a long long time. I agree with some of the posters on here. A lot of highly intelligent people think that the justice system didn't protect against the cruel treatment of animals that couldn't defend themselves. Obviously your mothers forgot to tell you something. IF you don't have something nice to say - just shut the hell up. :agree::agree::agree:
Now that wasn't a very nice thing to say so maybe you should take your own advice. Furthermore, why are you bringing mothers into this?

graciegirl 09-26-2011 05:35 AM
Boy Howdy.

paulandjean 09-26-2011 07:51 AM
Think----Its time to end this.

Russ_Boston 09-26-2011 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by elevatorman (Post 398897)
Actually he could have gotten 6 years and a $350,000 fine.
True but standard sentencing guidelines were followed based on his previous record etc.

But he did a fair amount of time IMO.

Russ_Boston 09-26-2011 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by angiefox10 (Post 398889)
If he had done to a child what he did to these dogs.... Would you feel that he should go back to being a "hero"? Or do you know what he did to the dogs?
Of course not. But he didn't. Like it or not animal cruelty is not on a par with human cruelty. Nor should it be. Yes I know a lot about the case. Including the fact that we seem to be ignoring. The fact that a lot of this is cultural. Dog fighting (and other animal fighting and subsequent cruel treatment) is still taking place in many parts of the southern U.S. Should it be stopped? Of course but the practice is part of many cultures.

And you'll never see me calling him a hero. In fact I don't think anyone here called him that did they?

Do we have to endure a new thread every time Vick does anything football related? Why was this thread started? Go read the first post. It had to do with one person taking joy from another person being injured. Sad, regardless of your personal thoughts about Vick.

ilovetv 09-26-2011 08:17 AM
Yes, it IS "cultural", and that is why it's being talked about here.

Our culture nurtures and throws its money at a lot of trashy behavior and crime.

If it's a money-making opportunity on a stage or field in the broadcasting world, the "dogs" licking their chops to make more money are right there salivating to make the deals.

"Falcons owner Arthur Blank did not want Vick on the Falcons, and after attempts to trade him failed, Vick was released. He signed with the Philadelphia Eagles and was reinstated in Week 3 of the 2009 season." (wikipedia)

EdV 09-26-2011 08:57 AM
The fact that Vic has served his sentence in the eyes of the law does not preclude animal lovers from despising him as an individual. I and no doubt others here on TOTV feel that in addition to his punishment by the law, the National Football League should have banned him from the game for life for his despicable abuse of ‘man’s best friend’.

Think about it. Pete Rose, arguable one of the greatest ball players of the 20th century was permanently banned from the Hall of Fame for simply betting on sports games. And when he bet on Reds games, he always bet for his team, not against it.

Russ_Boston 09-26-2011 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by EdVinMass (Post 399017)
Think about it. Pete Rose, arguable one of the greatest ball players of the 20th century was permanently banned from the Hall of Fame for simply betting on sports games. And when he bet on Reds games, he always bet for his team, not against it.
True - but those were the rules that he (and the baseball union) agreed to when he started to play. (I think the NFL has such rules as well involving betting)

I have no issue if the NFL wants to implement rules for themselves involving felony convictions, but they currently don't. It would have to apply to all felonies. But the NFL just instituted a new 10 year agreement with the union so don't hold your breath.


BTW: I despise Vick as well but I believe in our system of justice even when things like this (or OJ or Casey Anthony) happen.

ilovetv 09-26-2011 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Russ_Boston (Post 399025)
True - but those were the rules that he (and the baseball union) agreed to when he started to play. (I think the NFL has such rules as well involving betting)

I have no issue if the NFL wants to implement rules for themselves involving felony convictions, but they currently don't. It would have to apply to all felonies. But the NFL just instituted a new 10 year agreement with the union so don't hold your breath.


BTW: I despise Vick as well but I believe in our system of justice even when things like this (or OJ or Casey Anthony) happen.
I agree with the last statement above, but I think it's fairly obvious that our system of justice is being molded (slowly) to meet the demands of pop culture and what is constantly making "news" on the 24-hour "news" networks.

villagegolfer 09-26-2011 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Oren L Miller (Post 398851)
It sad to see people so deperate for a hero that they worship a man that beats dogs for fun. This is just further proof that the legal system in the US is broken. Michael Vick should have gone to jail for a long long time. I agree with some of the posters on here. A lot of highly intelligent people think that the justice system didn't protect against the cruel treatment of animals that couldn't defend themselves. Obviously your mothers forgot to tell you something. IF you don't have something nice to say - just shut the hell up. :agree::agree::agree:
So you are telling people to shut up? :ohdear:

villagegolfer 09-26-2011 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by GeorgeT (Post 398907)
You assume too much. I'm also pretty tired of people throwing up the "America's Friendliest Hometown" slogan whenever someone disagrees with them.

What Vick did is over and done with. Let's talk about the treatment of greyhounds. That's something that's still going on.
:bigbow:


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