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Bucco 08-19-2013 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by buggyone (Post 729824)
I hope you are right, Bucco. It is a really bad idea to have such an event anytime and especially on such a day as Sept. 11.

"An Islamic group's plan for a 'Million Muslim March' on the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks on the United States has sparked outrage among many who call the timing 'insensitive.'
The American Muslim Political Action Committee says it wants to use the 12th anniversary of the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington to march on the National Mall and protest against what the group says is discrimination against Muslims by Americans and the U.S. government.
However, the group's plan might be a little too ambitious. AMPAC, based in Kansas City, Missouri, has just 57 supporters signed up for the September 11 event on Facebook."


Fury over 'Million Muslim March' scheduled for 9/11 - even Islamic group planning it has only 57 supporters | Mail Online

Monkei 08-19-2013 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 729843)
"An Islamic group's plan for a 'Million Muslim March' on the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks on the United States has sparked outrage among many who call the timing 'insensitive.'
The American Muslim Political Action Committee says it wants to use the 12th anniversary of the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington to march on the National Mall and protest against what the group says is discrimination against Muslims by Americans and the U.S. government.
However, the group's plan might be a little too ambitious. AMPAC, based in Kansas City, Missouri, has just 57 supporters signed up for the September 11 event on Facebook."


Fury over 'Million Muslim March' scheduled for 9/11 - even Islamic group planning it has only 57 supporters | Mail Online

Wow 11 people ... Hardly room for concern and all these posts about something that would probably have gone unnoticed. Moving along ...

Bucco 08-20-2013 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Monkei (Post 729868)
Wow 11 people ... Hardly room for concern and all these posts about something that would probably have gone unnoticed. Moving along ...

On behalf of all those who sincerely posted here AND STAYED ON SUBJECT, I disagree. People had concerns and if you had read anything about it, it was nationwide. If you had read about the issue being discussed, you would have understood the group behind it and the reason for concern.

I did not count the posts that were not even close to the subject, but there were many.

Thanks to TEXINVA for starting the thread and to those who sincerely discussed the Muslim presence in this country.

mulligan 08-20-2013 01:53 PM

The one thing that still nags is the part in the muslim's operating manual that says all non-believers must be killed. That's me, and I've got a problem with that.

graciegirl 08-20-2013 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Indydealmaker (Post 729417)
Just what do you think wealthy people do with their money? Hide it under the bed?

They invest which creates jobs. They spend which creates jobs.

The creep of wealth up instead of staying in the middle class is due to a generational deficiency in personal productivity. Fewer and fewer people are willing to do what it takes to make it in life. More and more feel that they ought to reach a status quo where they always have what they need without realizing that maintaining a net asset status quo actually requires an every increasing amount of work.

I agree.

IADCathy 08-20-2013 04:20 PM

Until I see or hear a Jihad by the Muslim Religion/leaders AGAINST the likes of Mohammed Atta (murderer who drove the UA 767 into the WTC) and all future so-called martyrs I hold them accountable. I do not feel as dispassionately about this march as other posters seem to feel. I think it is an outrage that they would even dare to march on September 11th!

Bucco 08-20-2013 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by IADCathy (Post 730252)
Until I see or hear a Jihad by the Muslim Religion/leaders AGAINST the likes of Mohammed Atta (murderer who drove the UA 767 into the WTC) and all future so-called martyrs I hold them accountable. I do not feel as dispassionately about this march as other posters seem to feel. I think it is an outrage that they would even dare to march on September 11th!

Some folks have a problem with pointing out things like this, could be political stand, or lack of any knowledge at all about current events.

Monkei 08-20-2013 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mulligan (Post 730169)
The one thing that still nags is the part in the muslim's operating manual that says all non-believers must be killed. That's me, and I've got a problem with that.

It does not say that.

Monkei 08-20-2013 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Golfingnut (Post 729403)
Please Bucco understand, I have no doubt that this group is a hate group, I am trying to get across that so is Glenn and he is more dangerous because he professes to be a Christian. It is easy to ignore a Muslim hate mongrel, but many will believe hate speech from a fellow American.

His group had a march but apparently they cleaned up after themselves so hey we're ok.

graciegirl 08-20-2013 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Monkei (Post 730311)
It does not say that.


Granddaughter studied world religions in a state college (not a religious one) because she was interested in that part of history. She is young and liberal but she knows that the Quran does say just that. Actually infidels need be converted or killed.

But on the plus side, not all people practice their faith to the letter no matter what faith that is. It is frightening to me that as a person is a more intense and involved follower of Islam he becomes a bigger danger.

I too wish that more "official" Muslims would be more vocal in their abhorance of actions like the Boston Bombings. I see them interviewed but they make general statements that kind of miss the mark for me.

I try to be a person who keeps an open mind and I do believe that very few Muslims are radical, but I also think the radical ones are here...waiting to act.

Bucco 08-20-2013 07:23 PM

Since NOBODY, NOT ONE POSTER has actually done anything but criticize RADICAL Islam. NEVER been a bad word said about the normal Islamic person that may be a neighbor, a golf partner or such, and it has been made very very clear that the conversation is about RADICAL Muslims, my question for these, obvious uninformed posters, WHY DO YOU CONTINUE TO SUPPORT AND DEFEND RADICAL MUSLIMS ?

A fair question, assuming these folks are actually READING the posts, the news, the backgrounds of the radical hate groups at play here, that they find it necessary to defend these radicals.

In the interest of fairness, let us hear. You have made this support abundantly clear and obviously are in the camp of Md Rabbi Alam and his followers.

You ignored the post on the killing in the Mideast by those groups you support, and change the subject to some weakness in the USA.

Please allow us how you arrived at your support for this group ?

Monkei 08-20-2013 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 730327)
Granddaughter studied world religions in a state college (not a religious one) because she was interested in that part of history. She is young and liberal but she knows that the Quran does say just that. Actually infidels need be converted or killed.

But on the plus side, not all people practice their faith to the letter no matter what faith that is. It is frightening to me that as a person is a more intense and involved follower of Islam he becomes a bigger danger.

I too wish that more "official" Muslims would be more vocal in their abhorance of actions like the Boston Bombings. I see them interviewed but they make general statements that kind of miss the mark for me.

I try to be a person who keeps an open mind and I do believe that very few Muslims are radical, but I also think the radical ones are here...waiting to act.

They are instructed by the Quran to attack this infidels who would do bodily harm against other Muslims. They do not have carte Blanche to go out and kill all Christians just because they disagree ... I think we already covered that.

graciegirl 08-21-2013 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Monkei (Post 730432)
They are instructed by the Quran to attack this infidels who would do bodily harm against other Muslims. They do not have carte Blanche to go out and kill all Christians just because they disagree ... I think we already covered that.

I defer to your scholarship.

Little G and I talked about this issue just three days ago. She wasn't a history major and took this course for her pure interest in the diversity of the world. She was on the Deans list for four years and is employed in her field of journalism as an executive producer of news at a major network affiliate in a moderate sized city. She is heading more toward moderate thinking every day. Maybe because of spending six months monitoring police calls at the TV station before being promoted..

I hope she never loses her altruism and open mind or her hard work ethic. She has great parents.

Back to the point, when young Muslim men become more intensely interested in their faith, I hold my breath. Testosterone and idealism and youth and some bad teachings cause innocent people who did not harm anyone to be blown up, killed and maimed.

I do not think the brothers whose name I cannot spell were deranged or mentally ill like the sick young man who killed the children in Connecticut, or the mentally sick young man who shot people in the movie, nor political extremists like the Oklahoma bomber. I think they were religious extremists and that is very worrying.

We Americans usually associate religion with good and kind things.

I may be wrong in my summary so far but I keep an open mind and I have learned much from my fellow seniors on this forum and am not set in my way of thinking.

But at this point I think there is real danger from Muslim extremists who live among us.

What further galls me is the whole family of the brothers were living off public assistance. Went to the gym, one had a wife in a burka who worked and he didn't, a mom who took a course in cosmetics paid for by the government, both men had gone to college on The American dime...it just doesn't seem right on any level.

P.S. We paid for little G's tuition. Neither of us had the money for college when we were young.

Bucco 08-21-2013 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 730471)
I defer to your scholarship.

Little G and I talked about this issue just three days ago. She wasn't a history major and took this course for her pure interest in the diversity of the world. She was on the Deans list for four years and is employed in her field of journalism as an executive producer of news at a major network affiliate in a moderate sized city. She is heading more toward moderate thinking every day. Maybe because of spending six months monitoring police calls at the TV station before being promoted..

I hope she never loses her altruism and open mind or her hard work ethic. She has great parents.

Back to the point, when young Muslim men become more intensely interested in their faith, I hold my breath. Testosterone and idealism and youth and some bad teachings cause innocent people who did not harm anyone to be blown up, killed and maimed.

I do not think the brothers whose name I cannot spell were deranged or mentally ill like the sick young man who killed the children in Connecticut, or the mentally sick young man who shot people in the movie, nor political extremists like the Oklahoma bomber. I think they were religious extremists and that is very worrying.

We Americans usually associate religion with good and kind things.

I may be wrong in my summary so far but I keep an open mind and I have learned much from my fellow seniors on this forum and am not set in my way of thinking.

But at this point I think there is real danger from Muslim extremists who live among us.

What further galls me is the whole family of the brothers were living off public assistance. Went to the gym, one had a wife in a burka who worked and he didn't, a mom who took a course in cosmetics paid for by the government, both men had gone to college on The American dime...it just doesn't seem right on any level.

P.S. We paid for little G's tuition. Neither of us had the money for college when we were young.

Good post, and once again since this thread and discussion was all about EXTREMISTS AND RADICALS, and since the reason for the march has been posted, and the bio of the leaders now known.....WHY SOUNDS OF THOSE WHO DEFEND.

Just post why the defense of radicals and extremists which you clearly have been doing ?

Good post Grace....just hard to figure who would defend these people like is being done here.

gomoho 08-21-2013 07:12 AM

Cause some people just like to be ornery not matter what the cause.


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