Originally Posted by Carl in Tampa (Post 1544981)

And your solution would be................?

Originally Posted by bob47 (Post 1544992)

Let's invent a time machine so we can let our founding fathers see what 21st. century weapons are like. And then we'll be able to ask them, without having to speculate, what they intended the 2nd. amendment to do.

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1544996)

It seemed to be about well regulated militias which would have been state or smaller entity created forces that had arms to defend against other countries or maybe even states' well regulated militias. You would not find a cannon in homesteaders hands though.

Originally Posted by Fraugoofy (Post 1544986)

I think if we were trying to keep "the bad guys out" this is a start.

However, every shooter has been an inside job, in other words the shooters have been students. Typically students have more free access than visitors, who are required to enter through the front door and sign in and get a badge.

Each of the shooter students were already inside the building, ready and armed. This mean logically each and every day all incoming people would have to pass through one metal dector entrance. This will add time to a normal student day. Time well spent I might add.

I currently work in a juvenile detention center where I have students in my classroom that commit violent crimes...they truly think differently than we do.

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1544996)

It seemed to be about well regulated militias which would have been state or smaller entity created forces that had arms to defend against other countries or maybe even states' well regulated militias. You would not find a cannon in homesteaders hands though.

Originally Posted by Carl in Tampa (Post 1545002)

Well, you might think so, but you would be wrong. Let's look at some examples.

Columbine (Colorado) - The shooters were students, but they didn't show up at school until lunch time. A single point of entry with metal detectors and armed guards should have stopped them.

Sandy Hook (Connecticut) - Former student. The shooter had attended the school six years prior, but had since attended other schools, and was being home schooled when he did this shooting. At the school he was confronted by a locked door, but shot his way through an adjacent glass pane. No armed guards to stop him.

Parkland (Florida) - Former student, showed up at end of school day. Went in as others were about to come out. Armed police officer on scene failed to do his duty.

Access control means everyone from the Principal to the janitor, and all of the students. With access control and metal detectors there wouldn't be students "already inside the building, ready and armed."

Originally Posted by Carl in Tampa (Post 1544981)

And your solution would be................?

Originally Posted by bob47 (Post 1544992)

Let's invent a time machine so we can let our founding fathers see what 21st. century weapons are like. And then we'll be able to ask them, without having to speculate, what they intended the 2nd. amendment to do.

Originally Posted by bob47 (Post 1544992)

Originally Posted by Carl in Tampa (Post 1544979)

Well, you must admit that designating schools as "gun free zones" has not gotten the job done.

Your solution would be..........?

Simple hardening would not be as expensive as you contemplate. It could be simply locking all exterior doors of the school building, with alarm devices on the doors and closed circuit television on the doors. CCTV is commonplace in schools now. The doors already have locks on them.

The responsibility for hardening each school lies with the local school district. In Hillsborough County (Tampa) our high schools have had on duty law enforcement officers (School Resource Deputies) for decades. The Sheriff's Office is in the process of expanding this program to include middle and elementary schools with contracted security officers who have Florida certification as Law Enforcement Officers.

Like it or not, this is the future of school security. We will get accustomed to it, just as we got accustomed to long lines and taking off our shoes at airport security checkpoints.

Originally Posted by Nucky (Post 1545033)

Someone in a position of power up the food chain please take the bull by the horns and do something different. Just make progress. Don't talk about it too long do something. The entire population wants something to be done. These poor families.

Originally Posted by Carl in Tampa (Post 1545006)

I have been a member of both the Organized Militia and the Unorganized Militia of Florida.

The 2017 Florida Statutes

Title XVII
MILITARY AFFAIRS AND RELATED MATTERS
Chapter 250
MILITARY AFFAIRS

250.02 Militia.—
(1) The militia consists of all able-bodied citizens of this state and all other able-bodied persons who have declared their intention to become citizens.
(2) The organized militia is composed of the National Guard and any other organized military forces that are authorized by law.
(3) The unorganized militia is composed of all persons who are subject to military duty but who are not members of units of the organized militia.
(4) Only persons exempt from military duty by the terms of federal law are exempt from military duty in this state.

Incidentally, it is argued that at the time the Second Amendment was written, "well regulated" meant "well equipped."