[graciegirl]

I cannot imagine how awful it is to learn your precious child or family member has been killed.

I know all of us feel so sad and troubled at this latest news of a mass killing.

The words we have are inadequate to attempt to comfort. There are no easy answers. Many wish we could dial back time when these shootings didn't happen.

God help them. God help us.

[My Post]

Shooter is only 17.

How in the world...

[Nucky]

Enough. Time for results. No more talking. Action. Adults take charge. Wake up!

What will work to get results immediately?

[Boomer]

Deleted my rant

[My Post]

I will bet dollars to donuts he was over medicated on some crap. Probably stayed in all day playing video games.
How would a 17 year old know about pipe bombs and pressure cookers? BC he is spending all day searching for that nonsense on google and watching porn in a dark room and talking to losers online.

[Carl in Tampa]

Folks, it is much too early to rush to judgement about the killer or his motives. Since he was taken alive (to my chagrin) we will probably learn a lot more about his derangement.

What I found refreshing in this case was that every Texas official who spoke on television said virtually the same thing. They agreed that it is imperative that the schools become "hardened targets" that prevent shooters from walking onto the campus.

This school had two armed guards, but they couldn't prevent some killing because they could not anticipate the source. And, one of the officers was shot in the engagement.

Texas officials are proposing closed campuses where everyone enters through a screening checkpoint, and armed guards (or police) at every school. In my view this is the correct approach.

There was no call for "more gun laws."

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by Carl in Tampa

Folks, it is much too early to rush to judgement about the killer or his motives. Since he was taken alive (to my chagrin) we will probably learn a lot more about his derangement.

What I found refreshing in this case was that every Texas official who spoke on television said virtually the same thing. They agreed that it is imperative that the schools become "hardened targets" that prevent shooters from walking onto the campus.

This school had two armed guards, but they couldn't prevent some killing because they could not anticipate the source. And, one of the officers was shot in the engagement.

Texas officials are proposing closed campuses where everyone enters through a screening checkpoint, and armed guards (or police) at every school. In my view this is the correct approach.

There was no call for "more gun laws."

There are over 100,000 schools in the USA. Anyone care to guess the cost to "harden" each and every one? Sounds good until the tax bill comes due. Guess who will pay?


You could harden every school in America at a cost of billions or trillions. Then the psychopaths will just attack other soft spots like bus stops, malls etc.

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

There are over 100,000 schools in the USA. Anyone care to guess the cost to "harden" each and every one? Sounds good until the tax bill comes due. Guess who will pay?


You could harden every school in America at a cost of billions or trillions. Then the psychopaths will just attack other soft spots like bus stops, malls etc.

I agree. It's a free country and I like it that way. These things just cannot be prevented in a free country.

[Taltarzac725]

They should try to get an international dialog within thousands of local communities between lawyers, librarians, physicians, psychiatrists, social workers, nurses, victims/survivors, victim-witness assistance providers, students, teachers, CEOs, movie directors, Hollywood studio execs, 2nd Amendment historians/scholars and many many others to address what can be done about curbing this kind of violence on a practical level.

And TOTVers can do this too. What is going on in the community you moved here from that will stop school violence? Curbing cyber and in person bullying is one step; as is more teaching about mental illness; gun control by parents, friends and/or other relatives; lawsuits against gun manufacturers and others; education about practical materials available for survivor/victims of crimes in libraries, law enforcement websites, apps and other resources. Just approach this problem from every conceivable angle and ignore party politics as much as possible. Strengthening community bonds is also critical. On a very local level.

I know quite well some of the grandparents of one of these very recent shootings. They never recover from this kind of loss.

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

They should try to get an international dialog within thousands of local communities between lawyers, librarians, physicians, psychiatrists, social workers, nurses, victims/survivors, victim-witness assistance providers, students, teachers, CEOs, movie directors, Hollywood studio execs, 2nd Amendment historians/scholars and many many others to address what can be done about curbing this kind of violence on a practical level.

And TOTVers can do this too. What is going on in the community you moved here from that will stop school violence? Curbing cyber and in person bullying is one step; as is more teaching about mental illness; gun control by parents, friends and/or other relatives; lawsuits against gun manufacturers and others; education about practical materials available for survivor/victims of crimes in libraries, law enforcement websites, apps and other resources. Just approach this problem from every conceivable angle and ignore party politics as much as possible. Strengthening community bonds is also critical. On a very local level.

I know quite well some of the grandparents of one of these vert recent shootings. They never recover from this kind of loss.

Right.. a dialogue between 100s of disparate groups with their particular agendas, that will solve it.

Just raise your kids right and they won't end up slaughtering their friends at school.

[bob47]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

There are over 100,000 schools in the USA. Anyone care to guess the cost to "harden" each and every one? Sounds good until the tax bill comes due. Guess who will pay?


You could harden every school in America at a cost of billions or trillions. Then the psychopaths will just attack other soft spots like bus stops, malls etc.

Absolutely correct. And do we harden and have armed guards at every place of worship? Every nursing home? Every movie theater? Every hospital? Every other "soft" target? Folks, that's just not going to work.

And is that the kind of world you really want to live in? That doesn't sound like freedom to me.

[Carl in Tampa]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

There are over 100,000 schools in the USA. Anyone care to guess the cost to "harden" each and every one? Sounds good until the tax bill comes due. Guess who will pay?

You could harden every school in America at a cost of billions or trillions. Then the psychopaths will just attack other soft spots like bus stops, malls etc.

Well, you must admit that designating schools as "gun free zones" has not gotten the job done.

Your solution would be..........?

Simple hardening would not be as expensive as you contemplate. It could be simply locking all exterior doors of the school building, with alarm devices on the doors and closed circuit television on the doors. CCTV is commonplace in schools now. The doors already have locks on them.

The responsibility for hardening each school lies with the local school district. In Hillsborough County (Tampa) our high schools have had on duty law enforcement officers (School Resource Deputies) for decades. The Sheriff's Office is in the process of expanding this program to include middle and elementary schools with contracted security officers who have Florida certification as Law Enforcement Officers.

Like it or not, this is the future of school security. We will get accustomed to it, just as we got accustomed to long lines and taking off our shoes at airport security checkpoints.

[Carl in Tampa]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

There are over 100,000 schools in the USA. Anyone care to guess the cost to "harden" each and every one? Sounds good until the tax bill comes due. Guess who will pay?

You could harden every school in America at a cost of billions or trillions. Then the psychopaths will just attack other soft spots like bus stops, malls etc.

Originally Posted by bob47

Absolutely correct. And do we harden and have armed guards at every place of worship? Every nursing home? Every movie theater? Every hospital? Every other "soft" target? Folks, that's just not going to work.

And is that the kind of world you really want to live in? That doesn't sound like freedom to me.

And your solution would be................?

[NoMoSno]

How about start with a metal detector at entrances, like every US post office has.

[Fraugoofy]

Originally Posted by Carl in Tampa

Well, you must admit that designating schools as "gun free zones" has not gotten the job done.

Your solution would be..........?

Simple hardening would not be as expensive as you contemplate. It could be simply locking all exterior doors of the school building, with alarm devices on the doors and closed circuit television on the doors. CCTV is commonplace in schools now. The doors already have locks on them.

The responsibility for hardening each school lies with the local school district. In Hillsborough County (Tampa) our high schools have had on duty law enforcement officers (School Resource Deputies) for decades. The Sheriff's Office is in the process of expanding this program to include middle and elementary schools with contracted security officers who have Florida certification as Law Enforcement Officers.

Like it or not, this is the future of school security. We will get accustomed to it, just as we got accustomed to long lines and taking off our shoes at airport security checkpoints.

I think if we were trying to keep "the bad guys out" this is a start.

However, every shooter has been an inside job, in other words the shooters have been students. Typically students have more free access than visitors, who are required to enter through the front door and sign in and get a badge.

Each of the shooter students were already inside the building, ready and armed. This mean logically each and every day all incoming people would have to pass through one metal dector entrance. This will add time to a normal student day. Time well spent I might add.

I currently work in a juvenile detention center where I have students in my classroom that commit violent crimes...they truly think differently than we do.

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