[UpNorth]

Originally Posted by mtdjed

Natural gas stoves could be banned in 2023 by Consumer Product Safety Commission.

Next step?

Allergy-induced asthma, triggered by airborne substances, such as pollen, mold spores, cockroach waste, or particles of skin and dried saliva shed by pets (pet dander)

What's next, ban Mold, Trees, Cockroaches, and Pets?

This Commission controls products such a Suntan Products and it has been found after years of study that some people still get sunburn and cancer. Next step, ban the sun?

What's next? How about gas powered golf carts?

[Glorantha]

Always check to see who paid for and did the research. Ask yourself if they have an agenda or stand to gain from the research. This study was conducted by RMI, an environmental think tank.

[billethkid]

Next?
Methane?


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[Pairadocs]

Originally Posted by GpaVader

What's next Gas Dryers...

I think we can count on it ! The WAR is on natural gas, so what else but ban such appliances. One day we'll be overcome with what we are going to do with all the batteries from lawn mowers, hand tools, weed "eater" trimmers, automobiles..... what about the "war" on petroleum based plastic grocery bags ? Then there was the "war" on paper grocery bags, choose a plastic bag-save a tree campaign... it all comes and goes, comes and goes... !

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by Tommyc6

Read Florida state building regulations chapter 5 section 501.8 , residential ranges not required to be vented to the outside.

Range Hood Vent Code (2023 Requirements) - Home Inspector Secrets

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by blueash

Not unrelated. It is a perfectly related example of the Consumer Product Safety Commission acting to... wait for it.... protect the consumer from a safety hazard. And it is especially germane as it relates to gas ovens.

My disagreement is with calling for a ban of gas stoves when the venting them removes the risk.

[Djean1981]

Part of the overall scheme to bann every power source, except electric (to promote solar and wind).

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by billethkid

Next?
Methane?


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Uh, Oh...

[blueash]

Originally Posted by Altavia

My disagreement is with calling for a ban of gas stoves when the venting them removes the risk.

I completely agree with you, as I suspect the Consumer Product Safety people will as well... if your statement that venting removes the risk is true.

Do you know it is true? Did you read the research? Do gas stoves produce toxins and significant indoor air pollutants even when they are not being used thus not being ventilated even if you were to require that a vent be running if the stove is in use?

The question to be addressed is what are the risks and what are the mitigation options available. If the risk is high enough and it can not be mitigated then banning is an option. I suggest you click on the link early in this thread which goes to an article. Within that article is another link that takes you to a review of the available studies, as I recall about 80 of them.

I would point out that lead based paint was banned based on data which required that people ingest lead dust to be at risk, lick the walls. And I am sure all of us here or most of us grew up in homes with lead paint which wasn't banned until 1978. Are all of you anti-CPSC people going to come back and tell me that banning lead paint was a government overreach?

[rsmurano]

Originally Posted by blueash

Did any of you who are so angry at the consumer protection agency gathering information, did any of you read the studies linking gas stoves with increase childhood asthma and lifetime asthma risk? Did any of you read the science? Do you think the Consumer Protection Agency should actually be involved in trying to protect consumers? Or is it all on the user to be up to date on how lead in the water or N02 in the air can impact children?

It’s part of the same bs banning all fossil fuels. There is no science to this and everybody knows this.

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by blueash

I completely agree with you, as I suspect the Consumer Product Safety people will as well... if your statement that venting removes the risk is true.

Do you know it is true? Did you read the research? Do gas stoves produce toxins and significant indoor air pollutants even when they are not being used thus not being ventilated even if you were to require that a vent be running if the stove is in use?

The question to be addressed is what are the risks and what are the mitigation options available. If the risk is high enough and it can not be mitigated then banning is an option. I suggest you click on the link early in this thread which goes to an article. Within that article is another link that takes you to a review of the available studies, as I recall about 80 of them.

NO2 is highly toxic to the upper respiratory system at higher than environmental concentrations so the study outcome is no surprise to me. Probably similar for fireplaces, wood burning stoves, etc.

NO2 is a by product of combustion, so no emission from electronic ignition devices when not in use.

No doubt ventllation systems can be designed to provide the air exchanges per hour needed to reduce emission to that measured outdoors as concludefld in the article:

"Good ventilation systems can reduce the health risks of cooking with gas. But Trumka said it’s important that your stove’s exhaust hood connects to a vent outside your home."

[blueash]

Originally Posted by rsmurano

It’s part of the same bs banning all fossil fuels. There is no science to this and everybody knows this.

No science?? You know that because of your PhD in what? Read these studies and get back to me. Willful ignorance rears its head again


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[threeonemiles@outlook.com]

More regulations. Just what is needed. Hooray for limited government.

[Oldragbagger]

Originally Posted by MrChip72

This was found in studies where some people were oblivious to the fact that you need to operate a vent fan at all times while using an indoor gas cooking appliance. Some people in the studies were even operating a gas range with no hood fan installed in their home, which is illegal. If you run your hood fan before you use your stove and let it run a little after, the asthma rates suddenly drop to close to zero.

I would say TV builders must be oblivious too because I have a gas stove in my new home in Hawkins and it has a fan over it, which is on the bottom of the microwave, but it doesn’t vent to anywhere. It just recirculates the air around into the room.

[JP]

There is no way possible to have any kind of scientific study where you can definitely study if natural gas stoves cause increased levels of asthma. There are WAY TO MANY VARIABLES!!! Come on people. Really??!!!