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Bogie Shooter 01-06-2025 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by LoisR (Post 2399245)
Just read two articles in today's Daily Sun about two new Village developments to be built (Bellaviva at Whispering Hills and Cypress Reserve).
Both have posted yearly assessments of over $8000 for a single family home.
Am I correct in this figure?
How many people can afford this?

Are you referring to the public legal notices?

What does that have to do with bonds in The Villages? As you call them Village developments?

Altavia 01-06-2025 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by kansasr (Post 2399312)
There is no indication in either of these public filings that this is The Villages Land Company.

https://www.maurycarter.com/wp-conte..._S20230613.pdf

The parcels highlighted in red comprise the Journey Circle M Ranch in Leesburg. The 1,356-acre ranch is reportedly under contract. (Lake County Property Appraiser)

Ayana Holding, a fully-integrated real estate development firm based in Dubai, has entered into a joint venture with Orlando-based Marsan Real Estate Group to develop a 1,800-acre master-planned retirement community in Lake County, about 40 minutes outside of Orlando, with an estimated value of $1.6 billion.

Located a few miles from The Villages, Bella Viva at Whispering Hills would comprise 5,500 homes with a mix of retail and commercial development.

The conceptual master plan calls for golf courses, restaurants, shopping malls, a medical clinic, boutique hotel, spa, hospital and equestrian center, according to the JV partners.

Leesburg City Manager Al Minner told GrowthSpotter representatives of the Marsan Group have had three neetings with city staff to discuss the project, and they submitted a very informal proposal which was returned to the developer for completion. "It really wasn't at a stage to where we could even process it," Minner said.

MikeN 01-07-2025 07:25 AM

The bond is what our developer added to the purchase price for a home. It’s the cost of putting utilities on the lot. NO other builder has done this to my knowledge. It has always been part of the total price of the property. The bond makes the property look more reasonable in price but with interest etc it actually is more like a hidden second mortgage you repay. Yes, you can pay it off or pass it along to the next buyer

LonnyP 01-07-2025 07:48 AM

The developers are paying higher prices to acquire the land. They are very poor so they need to increase their cash flow.

Shelbyh 01-07-2025 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by LoisR (Post 2399245)
Just read two articles in today's Daily Sun about two new Village developments to be built (Bellaviva at Whispering Hills and Cypress Reserve).
Both have posted yearly assessments of over $8000 for a single family home.
Am I correct in this figure?
How many people can afford this?

We had a trivia question about the TV. How many were at least millionaires…39% so yes there will probably be some buyers just not me Lol.

billethkid 01-07-2025 08:41 AM

The continuing sales and expansion over the years (population 35,000 in 2004 and currently 154,00) would indicate the bond or amenity fees are economic factors but not inhibitors!

kansasr 01-07-2025 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Shelbyh (Post 2399393)
We had a trivia question about the TV. How many were at least millionaires…39% so yes there will probably be some buyers just not me Lol.

Interesting stat from the Sumter Property Appraiser data....in the Villages in Sumter County there are 631 properties with an assessed value of 1 million or more. Tied for first place with 69 each are Bridgeport at Lake Sumter and Pinellas, followed closely by Pennecamp with 65.

Nordhagen 01-07-2025 08:56 AM

Bond
 
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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2399257)
op, it looks like your figure is correct. The bond amount for a typical single family house in cypress reserve is estimated to be $87,408.62, and the annual bond payment to be $8,348.69, to include principal, interest, and the admin fee. As to how many people can afford it, i assume that a lot of people will be able to afford it.

wow

Nell57 01-07-2025 09:03 AM

I was told last week, by a Villages Agent, that bonds are now for 31 years.

Normal 01-07-2025 09:09 AM

80,000 bond is high
 
Personally, I think they should dump the bond idea altogether. Florida should legally eliminate bonds. If a builder wants to develop fine, but have them do it on their own dime and charge accordingly.

Bonds are just a way to muddy the waters of a real estate deal and make things “appear” cheaper than they actually are. They entice the builder to keep on building and leverage against buyers.

80 K bonds do seem rather high.

Justputt 01-07-2025 09:17 AM

That bond makes the Enclave look like a steal. Competition could be good for buyers.

justjim 01-07-2025 09:51 AM

Due Diligence
 
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Originally Posted by VApeople (Post 2399268)
Do you think the purchaser will notice the house comes with an unpaid bond of $80K?

It’s rather important for most of us to “due diligence” before purchasing property. Of course it’s all in the paper work. Have an attorney look over the paperwork if you’re “new” at purchasing property.

golfing eagles 01-07-2025 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2399413)
Personally, I think they should dump the bond idea altogether. Florida should legally eliminate bonds. If a builder wants to develop fine, but have them do it on their own dime and charge accordingly.

Bonds are just a way to muddy the waters of a real estate deal and make things “appear” cheaper than they actually are. They entice the builder to keep on building and leverage against buyers.

80 K bonds do seem rather high.

No developer, anywhere, ever, is going to build infrastructure "on his own dime". Usually it is included in the price of the home, here it is financed by bond offerings. Same difference, but it does make the price of the home appear to be lower. No different that the low fare airlines that then want to charge you extra for the engines or a pilot.

Bill14564 01-07-2025 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2399425)
No developer, anywhere, ever, is going to build infrastructure "on his own dime". Usually it is included in the price of the home, here it is financed by bond offerings. Same difference, but it does make the price of the home appear to be lower. No different that the low fare airlines that then want to charge you extra for the engines or a pilot.

Benefit to the bond: Easier to qualify for any mortgage needed to purchase a home

Drawback to the bond: Prices can be inflated (increased profit) since $30K+ of the true cost is hidden

Rationalization for the bond: The price of the house is the true price since it is the price of the land and the structure. The bond pays for the infrastructure which the homeowner will never own and will never ask their insurance company to replace after a storm or fire.

Outside the bubble: The cost of the infrastructure was paid for somehow. Either the city paid for the developer to put in streets, water lines, and sewer lines or the cost was divided between the homes and added to their price. It doesn't seem likely that the city would pick up that tab to help the developer make money.

Normal 01-07-2025 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2399425)
No developer, anywhere, ever, is going to build infrastructure "on his own dime". Usually it is included in the price of the home, here it is financed by bond offerings. Same difference, but it does make the price of the home appear to be lower. No different that the low fare airlines that then want to charge you extra for the engines or a pilot.

Exactly, just pass legislation that builders can’t hide behind their “bond” smokescreen. Besides, with inventory above and beyond record here in the Villages it has become a natural time to transition into home seller transparency.


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