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billethkid 12-08-2014 07:42 PM

the contempt for Holder spearing is reminiscent of sniping that border personal attacks that got the political forum closed......totally uncalled for.

Comments on the new rules. In the end it was not clear to me why the rules were being changed.....like it or not as I have stated earlier I have no respect or confidence for the people making changes in and continuing to promote selective law enforcement, thus to graying what is right or wrong resulting in more confusion for law enforcement to do what, when and where to enforce whatever.

Why not simply enforce the rules and laws on the books? There is that controverial word again.......ENFORCE!!!!!!

Gary7 12-08-2014 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by gomoho (Post 978309)
Ok, I'll ask again - what will this accomplish that the ban against racial profiling in 03 by Bush hasn't? This nonsense about gender and sexual orientation has nothing to do with anything. How is this anything more than just grandstanding by Holder? trying to appease the base he is on this?

There have been many cases where law enforcement officers have profiled a gender (e.g., women) and sexual orientation (e.g, gay) without any justifiable reason. A crime was not committed yet the officer stopped and arrested the person on a crime that was not real ... only because the officer profiled the community.

The 17 examples in the article can give you an overview of how these injustices can occur.

Some people may think the officer has all the right in the world to stop someone because the officer has an affinity to arrest someone who does not meet his personal liking. Some people may think that not allowing the officer to do this is "nonsense" ... I think think that we can better use the officer in our community than that.

There are too many people who still have prejudices in this country in my opinion.

TexaninVA 12-08-2014 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by gomoho (Post 978309)
Ok, I'll ask again - what will this accomplish that the ban against racial profiling in 03 by Bush hasn't? This nonsense about gender and sexual orientation has nothing to do with anything. How is this anything more than just grandstanding by Holder? trying to appease the base he is on this?

I think you've analyzed it correctly

TexaninVA 12-08-2014 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Gary7 (Post 978321)
The word trustworthy appears eight times in the article and I believe that the article answers your question. To correctly interpret the guidelines, I think IMHO it is best to read the entire 12 pages of the document.

To equate "trustworthy" with a group of senior leaders who have proven to be all but trustworthy seems both humorous and ironic ...

Tennisnut 12-08-2014 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TexaninVA (Post 978335)
To equate "trustworthy" with a group of senior leaders who have proven to be all but trustworthy seems both humorous and ironic ...

All I know is that I have lot more trust in our leaders and faith in the direction in this country than I did six years ago. The fact that we can question authority in open way that would be unthinkable in many countries around the world is to be commended.

MarkinMd 12-08-2014 08:12 PM

In 34 years of police work in Baltimore County I worked approximately 60 percent of that time in the hours of darkness. Most of the time I couldn't tell the race or gender of the person I conducted a traffic stop on until I approached the vehicle on foot. One time I stopped a vehicle simply to let the operator know he had left an extra set of keys hanging from his trunk lock. I didn't want to see the person lose his keys. It just so happened to be a high ranking member of a neighboring jurisdiction. He exited his vehicle in full uniform (Major) and proceeded to act like a total jerk. I let him vent and he threatened to call my Captain and Internal Affairs. He was convinced I stopped him because he was African American. I respectfully advised him to call anyone he liked and gave him my name and ID number (required). I then informed him why I stopped him and pointed to the keys hanging from his trunk. I explained I didn't want someone to lose their keys. He then looked embarrassed and tried to laugh off his little tirade. I walked away and he wanted to shake hands with me, I refused and said I don't shake hands (not required) with people that stereotype others. He got my message.

Rags123 12-08-2014 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Tennisnut (Post 978342)
All I know is that I have lot more trust in our leaders and faith in the direction in this country than I did six years ago. The fact that we can question authority in open way that would be unthinkable in many countries around the world is to be commended.

Those who are in the know and have covered the last six years disagree quite dramatically, the last being Ann Compton who is retiring.

And cannot wait until the hearings tomorrow and Mr Gruber gets his chance.

And on the subject of the thread.....what is the last we heard on Fast and Furious ?

JB in TV 12-08-2014 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Rags123 (Post 978320)
TENNISNUT said "MANY. hold in contempt" No disrespect but you are not many !!

Oh, and even those who have been supporters of the equal rights movement agree with you, but my question was the word MANY !!

I didn't write the post that you are referring to, but perhaps the "MANY" that is being commented on referrs to the House of Representatives? Wasn't Holder held in contempt for not providing documents requested by the House?

Rags123 12-08-2014 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JB in TV (Post 978351)
I didn't write the post that you are referring to, but perhaps the "MANY" that is being commented on referrs to the House of Representatives? Wasn't Holder held in contempt for not providing documents requested by the House?

Sure....that is not a dead issue at all....I was under the impression that the MANY referred to by TENNISNUT was in reference to TOTV, and not the general malaise that surrounds that office at present.

TexaninVA 12-08-2014 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Tennisnut (Post 978342)
All I know is that I have lot more trust in our leaders and faith in the direction in this country than I did six years ago. The fact that we can question authority in open way that would be unthinkable in many countries around the world is to be commended.

Yes, a lot more trust. If you like your health care plan, you can keep it etc. I won't go through all the examples but let's simply say there is a seemingly endless supply, except it's an unwanted gift.

As far as questioning authority, if you're referring to Ferguson or Berkeley or "die ins" in Macys, or stopping traffic on the bridge when people are commuting to work, or to the upcoming CIA "Torture Report" I've noticed a trend. Many of our friends (ie not necessarily you) on one side of the spectrum recoil at the idea of American Exceptionalism, except IMHO when it seems to weaken America further or somehow drive us further apart. Topic for a separate thread so I'm just making a note for now.


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