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TNLAKEPANDA 10-25-2014 06:05 PM

Gee what could go wrong when you don't require Voter ID ! Besides Fraud of course.

Sandtrap328 10-25-2014 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by njbchbum (Post 958214)
An internet search reveals that there are a number of states/localities that have given voting rights to non-citizens who are residents of the community to vote in local and school elections.

Nothing wrong with that! The non-citizens (not illegals) are residents of that community; pay taxes, send their children to the schools, and are citizens of other countries. They get a say in what is happening locally - not nationally, of course.

Sandtrap328 10-25-2014 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 958090)
for those presenting what other countries do, just how do you feel about it here in the USA....yes let anybody that can walk in vote......or registered, living US citizens only?

In a national election, registered US Citizens with government issued ID (which should be free to all citizens). Allow early voting and keep polling booths open until 8 pm each night so working people can vote in a timely manner.

In local elections, non-citizens who are residents of that community should be allowed to vote. Not illegal but non-citizen. Bring copy of citizenship of their country, pay stub showing FICA deduction, and utility bill in their name showing their address.

janmcn 10-25-2014 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TNLAKEPANDA (Post 958217)
Gee what could go wrong when you don't require Voter ID ! Besides Fraud of course.



Full Show: The Fight


Since 2000 one billion votes have been cast with 31 cases of voter impersonation. What is that percentage?

Matzy 10-25-2014 07:43 PM

When I applied for naturalization in 2006 I was asked: "Did you ever vote in this country?" I My answer was NO and the commissioner was happy that I told the truth. He told me that everybody who's applying for citizenship will be checked prior the final interview.
I am wondering that this has been changed quietly, actually I did not pay too much attention to that case until I've read that article.

dbussone 10-25-2014 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 958244)
Full Show: The Fight





Since 2000 one billion votes have been cast with 31 cases of voter impersonation. What is that percentage?


Sorry, I personally know of more than that in Harry Reid's last senatorial campaign. And what about ACORN having been found guilty for illegal voter registration in the last Presidential campaign. Or what about the 800 voters over 164 years old who are currently on the rolls in NYC?

Open your eyes and do the research.

mickey100 10-25-2014 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandtrap328 (Post 958222)
Nothing wrong with that! The non-citizens (not illegals) are residents of that community; pay taxes, send their children to the schools, and are citizens of other countries. They get a say in what is happening locally - not nationally, of course.

Agree. If they are residents for a certain period of time, pay taxes and otherwise have an interest and involvement in the community,they should have a say.

kittygilchrist 10-26-2014 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 957916)
Every Florida county Election Supervisor is responsible for making sure that the voter rolls are correct in their county. This includes removing the deceased and adding newly registered voters.

When Gov Rick Scott ordered these supervisors to purge their voting rolls in 2012, these supervisors banded together and said no.

Elected supers assure Correct rolls, yes, deciding what it takes to qualify one to vote, no.
I don't see the relevance of this argument with re the topic:
Should aliens vote?

njbchbum 10-26-2014 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandtrap328 (Post 958222)
Nothing wrong with that! The non-citizens (not illegals) are residents of that community; pay taxes, send their children to the schools, and are citizens of other countries. They get a say in what is happening locally - not nationally, of course.

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Originally Posted by mickey100 (Post 958270)
Agree. If they are residents for a certain period of time, pay taxes and otherwise have an interest and involvement in the community,they should have a say.

If the non-citizen resident pays their federal, state, local taxes, sends their children to local schools and votes in local elections - why should they not be allowed to vote in State and Federal elections? They are doing everything that thousands of resident citizens are doing and who are voting in those elections! The non-citizen voter probably has a greater impact on the local residents life than they would have in a State/Federal election!

Why would you give a non-citizen the right to impact your life on the local level but not the State/Federal level?

Would you allow the non-citizen to run for local office, too? Why?

janmcn 10-26-2014 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 958244)
Full Show: The Fight


Since 2000 one billion votes have been cast with 31 cases of voter impersonation. What is that percentage?

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Originally Posted by dbussone (Post 958262)
Sorry, I personally know of more than that in Harry Reid's last senatorial campaign. And what about ACORN having been found guilty for illegal voter registration in the last Presidential campaign. Or what about the 800 voters over 164 years old who are currently on the rolls in NYC?

Open your eyes and do the research.



I opened my eyes and posted a link in support. Where are the links supporting your allegations?

janmcn 10-26-2014 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by kittygilchrist (Post 958346)
Elected supers assure Correct rolls, yes, deciding what it takes to qualify one to vote, no.
I don't see the relevance of this argument with re the topic:
Should aliens vote?

The Florida Legislature passes the laws, the courts interpret the laws and the county Election Supervisors enforce the laws. All three are relevant in the argument whether aliens should be allowed to vote.

sunnyatlast 10-26-2014 09:12 AM

So then if the 5,645 foreign students at (for example) UC Berkeley, along with all the other foreign students in U.S. colleges and universities are allowed to vote having no allegiance or permanency here, that this is right? And Californians or other states ought to go for that??

I don't think so.

TheVillageChicken 10-26-2014 09:20 AM

It would require a constitutional amendment to allow non-citizens to vote in federal elections, and that, ain't gonna happen.

njbchbum 10-26-2014 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by TheVillageChicken (Post 958409)
It would require a constitutional amendment to allow non-citizens to vote in federal elections, and that, ain't gonna happen.

Still wondering why if people don't allow non-citizens to vote in a Federal election...why they will allow their voting in State/Local elections where the impact on the laws of their area are more directly impacted. smh

billethkid 10-26-2014 09:50 AM

for me it is easy....no interpretation....no gray....

if one is not a US citizen they do not get to vote....PERIOD!!

If they live here and pay taxes so what? They are paying for using all the amenities of living here. If they want to vote (local or federal) then let them pay the price....become a US citizen.

It is when we try to rationalize the application of rules and laws that the door opens wide for violations and lack of enforcement. A major contributor to the watered down laws we have today contributing to America's core values deterioration.


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